Technician07
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- May 25, 2015
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- Ram Year
- 2005
- Engine
- Hemi 5.7 L turbo
a few years ago I was looking to boost up my truck with a (then defunct) STS kit that I couldn't find so i set into "doing it myself" .... I can humbly admit that my first attempt was a type of disaster But at least I didn't wind up taking out my engine in the educational journey..
Quick look at what did not work for me:
Turbo size...
I received so much great but at times vague advice from some very accommodating ppl at both local shops and directly from parts suppliers. As an enthusiast with a professional grade education (along with the student loan debt to show for it) I can appreciate that they are in the game to make a living and not give away any proprietary information or incite a lawsuit so I did with it what I could.
SO..from my own learnings and what I was advised to go with, a smaller exhaust housing (.68A/R) and a smaller compressor wheel (72mm) was selected. Without going into any deep discussion as to the fluid dynamics of why said turbo combination was chosen I leave it at saying.... the turbo, being rear mounted, gets less thermal energy from the engine than it would if it was mounted closer to it (ie in the engine bay)
I used this turbo..TRB-T72-P68-RR that i purchased direct from cxracing
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NO, I wont be brand ambassadoring for CXRacing..... But I will speak to my personal experience with the items I ordered from there. The turbo worked flawlessly until I destroyed it with two classic first timer mistakes that I humbly share with you as a cautionary tale.
ONE: COMPRESSOR SURGE/OSCILLATION : I simply had the wastegate installed backward! So there was no way to control the speed of the turbo and therefore boost. I lucky didn't blow up my **** as the manifold pressure hit over 10psi a few times!!! Also the vac source I used for the blowoff valve turned out to be too weak to allow the valve to cycle effectively and boost pressure was not effectively relieved.
TWO: CLOSED LOOP TURBO OIL SYSTEM: Just don't even attempt to try it! There is NO NEED to reinvent the wheel here truss me. The tried and true method of supplying the turbo with oil from the engine still works! And before someone chimes in about line length and pressure drops, I want to ask two things.. Have you ever seen an remote oil cooler kit that comes with a required oil pump? What about all those sick japanese/euro whips that have those super long oil lines going off to oversized externally mounted oil coolers?
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So YA, DON'T do this! The oil cooler for the turbo is total overkill and hurting more than its helping as well as being a huge restriction of flow in the system... and not in a good way. I will go more into what I did that worked out for me later..
WHY MY FIRST SETUP DIDN'T FLY....
The continuous compressor surge events put A LOT of additional stress on the turbocharger shaft combined the poor oiling, and over a short period of time (3months) took out the turbo... I finally lost all oiling while in bumper to bumper construction traffic with zero places to pull off to. By the time i made it home there was oil leaking from both the compressor and turbine housings of the turbo and enough play had developed in the shaft that the impeller blades were juuuuuust starting to contact the housing! The turbo was the wrong size for the application as far as I drive.. .68A/R is more suitable for a twin turbo application and one under the hood at that. The boost came on waaay too early and did not compliment the transmission shift points at all. It was impossible to drive on the highway using cruise control. EVERY hill, the RPMs would shoot up and the rear would step out.. the same if you pulled out to pass. this made the truck difficult to control on provincial gravel roads so it would have been suicide in the winter so i rigged all the turbo stuff out
Quick look at what did not work for me:
Turbo size...
I received so much great but at times vague advice from some very accommodating ppl at both local shops and directly from parts suppliers. As an enthusiast with a professional grade education (along with the student loan debt to show for it) I can appreciate that they are in the game to make a living and not give away any proprietary information or incite a lawsuit so I did with it what I could.
SO..from my own learnings and what I was advised to go with, a smaller exhaust housing (.68A/R) and a smaller compressor wheel (72mm) was selected. Without going into any deep discussion as to the fluid dynamics of why said turbo combination was chosen I leave it at saying.... the turbo, being rear mounted, gets less thermal energy from the engine than it would if it was mounted closer to it (ie in the engine bay)
I used this turbo..TRB-T72-P68-RR that i purchased direct from cxracing
View media item 29376View media item 29379
NO, I wont be brand ambassadoring for CXRacing..... But I will speak to my personal experience with the items I ordered from there. The turbo worked flawlessly until I destroyed it with two classic first timer mistakes that I humbly share with you as a cautionary tale.
ONE: COMPRESSOR SURGE/OSCILLATION : I simply had the wastegate installed backward! So there was no way to control the speed of the turbo and therefore boost. I lucky didn't blow up my **** as the manifold pressure hit over 10psi a few times!!! Also the vac source I used for the blowoff valve turned out to be too weak to allow the valve to cycle effectively and boost pressure was not effectively relieved.
TWO: CLOSED LOOP TURBO OIL SYSTEM: Just don't even attempt to try it! There is NO NEED to reinvent the wheel here truss me. The tried and true method of supplying the turbo with oil from the engine still works! And before someone chimes in about line length and pressure drops, I want to ask two things.. Have you ever seen an remote oil cooler kit that comes with a required oil pump? What about all those sick japanese/euro whips that have those super long oil lines going off to oversized externally mounted oil coolers?
View media item 29378
So YA, DON'T do this! The oil cooler for the turbo is total overkill and hurting more than its helping as well as being a huge restriction of flow in the system... and not in a good way. I will go more into what I did that worked out for me later..
WHY MY FIRST SETUP DIDN'T FLY....
The continuous compressor surge events put A LOT of additional stress on the turbocharger shaft combined the poor oiling, and over a short period of time (3months) took out the turbo... I finally lost all oiling while in bumper to bumper construction traffic with zero places to pull off to. By the time i made it home there was oil leaking from both the compressor and turbine housings of the turbo and enough play had developed in the shaft that the impeller blades were juuuuuust starting to contact the housing! The turbo was the wrong size for the application as far as I drive.. .68A/R is more suitable for a twin turbo application and one under the hood at that. The boost came on waaay too early and did not compliment the transmission shift points at all. It was impossible to drive on the highway using cruise control. EVERY hill, the RPMs would shoot up and the rear would step out.. the same if you pulled out to pass. this made the truck difficult to control on provincial gravel roads so it would have been suicide in the winter so i rigged all the turbo stuff out