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U know, class action, only person ever makes money are the lawyers unless it is the Govt forcing an action, just saying. I would do it alone, say maybe in small claims depending upon state laws and such. Class action, U end up with pennies on the dollar on a good day.
Yep, I was an insurance regulator for 27 years and I saw plenty of class action suits. The attorneys make out like bandits, and the class members get something like a free movie rental or a couple of bucks credit on their phone bill.
 

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Yep, I was an insurance regulator for 27 years and I saw plenty of class action suits. The attorneys make out like bandits, and the class members get something like a free movie rental or a couple of bucks credit on their phone bill.
That is what was so heart-warming when the manufacturer of the now infamous pinto lost the HUGE personal suit for the burning death of her child, and her own lifetime burn recovery/treatments. The head cheese had hired an insurance actuarial team to put a price tag on a burning death in a pinto and burn injuries in same said unfortunate type mishap.

The presiding judge was so incensed as was the jury, that the company was denied setting up a structured settlement and was ordered to write out a HUGE check! This was according to what I read in my research.

And all to save about 2 bucks per car. 50 years should have seen a progress to a more conscientious state of business affairs, but, alas, the government has had to legislate makers of all consumer products to protect us from ourselves. In the case of gross misconduct, though, I'm all for sending the manufacturer a very hefty financial message! :)
 

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That is what was so heart-warming when the manufacturer of the now infamous pinto lost the HUGE personal suit for the burning death of her child, and her own lifetime burn recovery/treatments. The head cheese had hired an insurance actuarial team to put a price tag on a burning death in a pinto and burn injuries in same said unfortunate type mishap.

The presiding judge was so incensed as was the jury, that the company was denied setting up a structured settlement and was ordered to write out a HUGE check! This was according to what I read in my research.

And all to save about 2 bucks per car. 50 years should have seen a progress to a more conscientious state of business affairs, but, alas, the government has had to legislate makers of all consumer products to protect us from ourselves. In the case of gross misconduct, though, I'm all for sending the manufacturer a very hefty financial message! :)
That story gives me a warm fuzzy. I well recall the "Five Passenger Portable Stove" and that lawsuit. I actually had a Pinto when I was in college, but I got rid of it when I heard that they tended to go "Flame ON!" when rear-ended.

Back to the OT, I got a replacement module from Car Parts Source (it came with the HCU) and installed it on my truck. Truck runs just fine, but I still get a traction control light and of course a VIN mismatch. I can now send in my original module for repair and just drive with the replacement module for a week or so while it's being fixed. I only have a low-end OBD scanner (Innova 5210) that can read ABS codes but not reset anything but the normal DTC's. No biggie - I cut my driving teeth in Dad's '50 Chevy, so I don' need no steenkin' traction control!

After I get my original module fixed, I'll decide what to do with the replacement one - maybe sell it to someone who needs a module, maybe just keep it for a spare.code.jpg
 

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That story gives me a warm fuzzy. I well recall the "Five Passenger Portable Stove" and that lawsuit. I actually had a Pinto when I was in college, but I got rid of it when I heard that they tended to go "Flame ON!" when rear-ended.

Back to the OT, I got a replacement module from Car Parts Source (it came with the HCU) and installed it on my truck. Truck runs just fine, but I still get a traction control light and of course a VIN mismatch. I can now send in my original module for repair and just drive with the replacement module for a week or so while it's being fixed. I only have a low-end OBD scanner (Innova 5210) that can read ABS codes but not reset anything but the normal DTC's. No biggie - I cut my driving teeth in Dad's '50 Chevy, so I don' need no steenkin' traction control!

After I get my original module fixed, I'll decide what to do with the replacement one - maybe sell it to someone who needs a module, maybe just keep it for a spare.View attachment 532368
I'd keep as a spare and hope maybe FCA pony up for the money you spent and reward you with a Brand New redesigned one on their dime also (don't hold yer breath).
 

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I'd keep as a spare and hope maybe FCA pony up for the money you spent and reward you with a Brand New redesigned one on their dime also (don't hold yer breath)
But hope springs eternal! I have a feeling that their "New and Improved" one, if it ever comes out, is just going to have a different assortment of issues from the current ones.
 

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But hope springs eternal! I have a feeling that their "New and Improved" one, if it ever comes out, is just going to have a different assortment of issues from the current ones.
No, say it is not so.

ADDED: I did get 2 letters from FCA other day extending warranty to 8 years,150K for Rear window frame stuff and 10 years, 150K for CHMSL. SO who knows, miracles can happen.
 
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But hope springs eternal! I have a feeling that their "New and Improved" one, if it ever comes out, is just going to have a different assortment of issues from the current ones.
Not necessarily! Taking the Devil's advocate podium, I will say that the manufacturer (not the car company, Kelsey-Hayes, Bosch, et. al.) have had a challenge soldering electrical control modules sans lead based solder all these past 20 or so years that lead has been outlawed!

A comedian once lamented "Bring back Hee-Haw". The context alluded to a time when products were more sturdy and enjoyed longer dependability lives. I remember our old 2- color TV (Black and White ;)) made by Zenith. The chassis was hot in that it carried 120V AC. Made it quite a challenge for me as a kid to remove the tubes to take them to the 7-11 to test these tubes so we could enjoy Carol Burnett. I got stung more than a few times by this "hot" TV chassis. I learned to NOT touch it.

Remember "The quality goes in before the name goes on"? That was Zenith's ad slogan. I remember Sam Elliot and his manly voice-over advertising RAM trucks during the NFL games years ago... "GUTS! Glory! Ram!".
During those years, Chevy depicted a 1/2 ton Silverado on a construction site having a boulder dropped from a crane 8 or 10 feet up, into it's bed as Bob Seger sang "Like a Rock" in the background and the truck was driven effortlessly away!

People seem to like having their intelligence insulted. Or, perhaps, too many beers at home during a football game dulled the senses just enough to make a Tim Allen inspired "Man-Stuff" crowd believe that these trucks were actually up-scaled Tonka Toys!
 
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That story gives me a warm fuzzy. I well recall the "Five Passenger Portable Stove" and that lawsuit. I actually had a Pinto when I was in college, but I got rid of it when I heard that they tended to go "Flame ON!" when rear-ended.

Back to the OT, I got a replacement module from Car Parts Source (it came with the HCU) and installed it on my truck. Truck runs just fine, but I still get a traction control light and of course a VIN mismatch. I can now send in my original module for repair and just drive with the replacement module for a week or so while it's being fixed. I only have a low-end OBD scanner (Innova 5210) that can read ABS codes but not reset anything but the normal DTC's. No biggie - I cut my driving teeth in Dad's '50 Chevy, so I don' need no steenkin' traction control!

After I get my original module fixed, I'll decide what to do with the replacement one - maybe sell it to someone who needs a module, maybe just keep it for a spare.View attachment 532368
I worked at one of Houston's premium Ford Dealers as a service tech during the Pinto debacle. To help clarify: Pinto Wagons never had their fuel tank in the precarious position of the sedans. That tank was nestled into the side of the rear quarter panel, and they didn't go boom upon impact.

I personally installed MANY retro kits into the Pintos as a result of the infamous media storm/ debacle of media-induced panic thanks to yellow journalism where interviews were broadcast (Thank you Geraldo!) with grossly disfigured victims of said cars.

Sadly, these VERY good, dependable cars never recovered form public scorn. I personally owned several of them with the repair kits done. Why not? A decent one was about 200-300 dollars. Nobody wanted one. The 1980 model year ended their production.... or did it. Not So fast!!

Enter the 1974 Mustang 2! Yes! The Pinto was reborn! Sportier, but still had the bones of a Pinto! People are so easily mis-led, Eh?

Ironically, I NEVER got rear-ended in my Pintos, but WAS rear-ended BY a Pinto going at a high rate of speed on November 16, 1984. I was driving a 1980 Chevy Luv. Said mini truck had no remarkable safety features. I was critically injured, but survived.... no fires were involved! No one sued Isuzu OR GM, the maker/marketer of these itty bitty trucks.

Life sure has strange twists!
 

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Not necessarily! Taking the Devil's advocate podium, I will say that the manufacturer (not the car company, Kelsey-Hayes, Bosch, et. al.) have had a challenge soldering electrical control modules sans lead based solder all these past 20 or so years that lead has been outlawed!

A comedian once lamented "Bring back Hee-Haw". The context alluded to a time when products were more sturdy and enjoyed longer dependability lives. I remember our old 2- color TV (Black and White ;)) made by Zenith. The chassis was hot in that it carried 120V AC. Made it quite a challenge for me as a kid to remove the tubes to take them to the 7-11 to test these tubes so we could enjoy Carol Burnett. I got stung more than a few times by this "hot" TV chassis. I learned to NOT touch it.

Remember "The quality goes in before the name goes on"? That was Zenith's ad slogan. I remember Sam Elliot and his manly voice-over advertising RAM trucks during the NFL games years ago... "GUTS! Glory! Ram!".
During those years, Chevy depicted a 1/2 ton Silverado on a construction site having a boulder dropped from a crane 8 or 10 feet up into it's bed as Bob Seger sang "Like a Rock" in the background and the truck was driven effortlessly away!

People seem to live having their intelligence insulted. Or, perhaps, too many beers at home during a football game dulled the senses just enough to make a Tim Allen inspired "Man-Stuff" crowd believe that these trucks were actually up-scaled Tonka Toys!
We must be of about the same "vintage", Sherman. I remember us having not one, but TWO B&W TV's - one of the two-ton console models in the living room, and a "small" one (20" or so) that weighed nearly as much in Mom and Dad's room. And yep, I well remember pulling tubes out and testing them at the local 7-11.

Quality in most everything has been made secondary to quantity and planned obsolescence. Manufacturers actually making products that are designed to last for many years has become a thing of the past - they want their products to go Tango Uniform within a few years so We the People have to buy new stuff from them. Until my home was flooded (4 feet of water) in 2016, I had an old Harvest Gold GE fridge that had been ticking along since my parents acquired it, USED, in the mid-70's. They gave it to me when they bought a new fridge in the early 80's. Even after the flood it would still run, although I had to get rid of it due to flood water having soaked into the insulation. After my home was gutted and repaired (February 2017) I bought a new Frigidaire. It lasted until about 6 months ago, just over 6 years, when it quit cooling properly. Cost to repair it would have been about twice what a new one would cost, so I took the obvious option and just replaced it. So much for "quality" in a product that used to have that.

Not to hijack the thread, but America in general has been "dumbing down" for years. I mean, when you have people watching junk like "Golden Bachelor" and most of the current sitcoms, you have to conclude that the median intellectual level is a lot more shallow than it was even a few decades ago. That makes it much easier for the corporate ad people to sell the public mediocre products with inane, outlandish commercials.
 

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I worked at one of Houston's premium Ford Dealers as a service tech during the Pinto debacle. To help clarify: Pinto Wagons never had their fuel tank in the precarious position of the sedans. That tank was nestled into the side of the rear quarter panel, and they didn't go boom upon impact.

I personally installed MANY retro kits into the Pintos as a result of the infamous media storm/ debacle of media-induced panic thanks to yellow journalism where interviews were broadcast (Thank you Geraldo!) with grossly disfigured victims of said cars.

Sadly, these VERY good, dependable cars never recovered form public scorn. I personally owned several of them with the repair kits done. Why not? A decent one was about 200-300 dollars. Nobody wanted one. The 1980 model year ended their production.... or did it. Not So fast!!

Enter the 1974 Mustang 2! Yes! The Pinto was reborn! Sportier, but still had the bones of a Pinto! People are so easily mis-led, Eh?

Ironically, I NEVER got rear-ended in my Pintos, but WAS rear-ended BY a Pinto going at a high rate of speed on November 16, 1984. I was driving a 1980 Chevy Luv. Said mini truck had no remarkable safety features. I was critically injured, but survived.... no fires were involved! No one sued Isuzu OR GM, the maker/marketer of these itty bitty trucks.

Life sure has strange twists!
My Pinto was the hatchback model. I really liked it, but I got scared by, as you pointed out, the sensationalistic "reporting" on the fires. I wasn't aware of the different fuel tank positions of the station wagons versus the hatchbacks - I know that Dad had a Pinto station wagon for years and it never blew up.
 
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