2025 1500 RamCharger. Is it an EV?

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I'm sure they're using Pentastar because they've got excess production capacity of it. It was the base engine for Charger and Challenger, both of which are dead at the end of the year.

Why incur the costs of using a different engine when you can use something out of the parts catalog that you already make and have sitting around with no vehicle to put it in? Using an engine you've already got reduces costs. No need to engineer or produce something different, just stick it in there.
They're still making it for other vehicles. As far as I know it'll still be the base engine for the 1500 going forward.

As you said, it just makes sense. It's already used in the platform, just replace the transmission with a generator, boom, done.
 

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I'm sure they're using Pentastar because they've got excess production capacity of it. It was the base engine for Charger and Challenger, both of which are dead at the end of the year.

Charger is 100% not dead and will continue to have an ICE option, info direct from fleet sales and with expected order window dates. No info on Challengers, it may very well be dead.
 

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Charger is 100% not dead and will continue to have an ICE option, info direct from fleet sales and with expected order window dates. No info on Challengers, it may very well be dead.
Charger as it exists on the LD platform is dead. The model is taking a year off and will return "all new", but for the purposes of a 2024 model it is dead. Yes the new one will have ICE options. I'm imagining the turbo four from Hornet as a base engine with the Hurricane six as an upgrade and some kind of electrified setup as a Hellcat stand in. Maybe similar to what they're planning for Ramcharger, with an ICE acting as a generator to power electric motors. Ramcharger is claiming 660hp from whatever setup they're using, so that in a car would be quite impressive.

A Challenger replacement on the same platform I'd expect to follow a year after Charger. It's majority just sheet metal differences and Mustang is still out there, so I can't see Stellantis leaving the muscle coupe field for long. Challenger has done quite well for them, selling right up there with Mustang despite being older and lower performing.
 
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Charger as it exists on the LD platform is dead. The model is taking a year off and will return "all new", but for the purposes of a 2024 model it is dead. Yes the new one will have ICE options. I'm imagining the turbo four from Hornet as a base engine with the Hurricane six as an upgrade and some kind of electrified setup as a Hellcat stand in. Maybe similar to what they're planning for Ramcharger, with an ICE acting as a generator to power electric motors. Ramcharger is claiming 660hp from whatever setup they're using, so that in a car would be quite impressive.

I'd be surprised if Pentastar doesn't remain an option for fleets, but I've been surprised at least twice before. We've been told there is a 6 cylinder version, though.
 

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I'd be surprised if Pentastar doesn't remain an option for fleets, but I've been surprised at least twice before. We've been told there is a 6 cylinder version, though.
Launching a new model with a carryover engine isn't unheard of, Ford is well known for doing it with Mustang. A great way to use up engines that are sitting in the warehouse before switching to the new stuff.

I just can't see Pentastar carrying on as the base engine for long in a new Ram or Charger when the competition is getting more power AND better economy out of turbo fours. The turbo four in Silverado laughs at Pentastar and the Ecoboost Mustang is competition for Charger/Challenger R/T due to their weight. Pentastar was a huge advance over the old 3.5 and 3.7 V6s when it came out, but that was in 2010. The design is showing its age.
 

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I don't know. I can see them using the Pentastar in the Ramcharger for a while. No turbo's, simple engine that's tired and true, low maintenance. It's not driving the wheels either, so it's going to last a long time.

Maybe they'll change the base model engine for the ICE Ram 1500 to one of their 4 banger turbo's at some point, but for a generator, no need for excess complications.

And those ecoboost Mustangs are terrible. Rented one in Florida. To get in the beans out of it you have to put it in sport mode, which opens the exhaust, and it sounds like a fart, the shifts were terrible. I did not like it at all.
 

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Launching a new model with a carryover engine isn't unheard of, Ford is well known for doing it with Mustang. A great way to use up engines that are sitting in the warehouse before switching to the new stuff.

I just can't see Pentastar carrying on as the base engine for long in a new Ram or Charger when the competition is getting more power AND better economy out of turbo fours. The turbo four in Silverado laughs at Pentastar and the Ecoboost Mustang is competition for Charger/Challenger R/T due to their weight. Pentastar was a huge advance over the old 3.5 and 3.7 V6s when it came out, but that was in 2010. The design is showing its age.

No idea. Dodge has done 'fleet only' power trains in the Charger before with the hemi/6-spd/awd that was unavailable outside of fleet sales. I suspect a cheap to build/cheap to buy/cheap to maintain option that appeals to fleet managers and bean counters may remain longer than the wider market cares about it.

We ordered something approaching 600 cars this year. A few hundred bucks per unit is a big deal for us, as well as expected maintenance and fuel costs.
 

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And those ecoboost Mustangs are terrible. Rented one in Florida. To get in the beans out of it you have to put it in sport mode, which opens the exhaust, and it sounds like a fart, the shifts were terrible. I did not like it at all.
I agree they sound like a Honda. An American muscle car should not sound like that. However the performance credentials of the total package can't be denied. It's a pretty close match for the Charger/Challenger R/T despite the horsepower deficit, because the Dodge models weigh 500lbs more.
 

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engine horsepower really does not need to be huge in this application, so long as the battery inverter is getting a steady supply of current. I think a smaller hurricane or world engine would be better than the V6 pentastar.
 

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engine horsepower really does not need to be huge in this application, so long as the battery inverter is getting a steady supply of current. I think a smaller hurricane or world engine would be better than the V6 pentastar.
Again, it's a matter of what Stellantis has capacity in its factories to produce and what requires the least amount of work to engineer into the truck. Using Pentastar is a *cost saving* measure. They've got plenty of them, they're reliable, the truck is already set up to use them.
 
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