2500 payload ranges

[GTyankee]

Speaking of BIG Boats
There was a guy that was using a trailer to move a Big Boat
The trailer was a two axle unit & someone had added an axle or two.
The trailer broke away & crossed an intersection before the Ford that had been towing it

 

[JoshsRam]

So, I got a picture of the door jam sticker. It's not 3500 lbs as I suspected it might not be. It was 2100 lbs. I'm glad I didn't have to make the trip all the way over there just to find out that it didn't match.

 

[Choupique]

The cummins is just a poor fit for a 10k gross 4x4 pickup. It's a heavy truck to start with and the engine is extremely heavy. If you want a cummins and plan to tow a 5th wheel or gooseneck, get a 1 ton.

Those coil springs are niceeeee when hauling right around 2k though. The truck really is perfectly built for what it is rated for. They ride great for an HD truck with just a little bit of weight in the bed. Just don't stick 4k on it and expect it to handle exactly like a dually with 2500 stickers on it.

 

[GTyankee]

Funny

The electric wheel chair that is pulling the boat, happened in my town

 

[chopperdog45]

So, I got a picture of the door jam sticker. It's not 3500 lbs as I suspected it might not be. It was 2100 lbs. I'm glad I didn't have to make the trip all the way over there just to find out that it didn't match.

That sounds right. I have a '22 2500 Bighorn crew cab 4x4 Cummins and my payload capacity is 2200# and some change. Tows my 7000# toy hauler very nicely, but I stay within the limits of what my door sticker says.

 

[Ratman6161]

Because the number they reported seemed way too high but the values they are reporting calculate out correctly based on the rear axle weight and GVWR, etc. I have been looking at a 3500 recently but if this 2500's payload is really what is being reported, I might make the jump down. I'm going to have to look at the door sticker to verify because it feels wrong to me.

No it is not real. My gas engine Laramie has a payload of 2938. I have seen a truck on a dea.er lot that was optioned identically to mine except it had the CTD. It had a payload of 2108. The only Ram 2500 with a payload of 3500 or higher is a Tracesman gas engine truck..probably a single cab or a 2WD. Even in a Chevy 2500 you would have to go with a gas engine to get a 3500# payload, though at an auto show I did see a Silverado 2500 crew cab high country diesel with a 3125 sticker....but no way close to that on a Ram.

My advice is that if you are towing heavy enough to need a diesel and you want a Ram, get the 3500.

 

[jejb]

My advice is that if you are towing heavy enough to need a diesel and you want a Ram, get the 3500.

There are also the folks that tow a lot in hilly/mountainous terrain. I live in the Ozarks and travel to the Rockies at least once a year. I was pushing my gas 3/4 tons far too hard, even with my 8K enclosed trailer. I vastly prefer the low rpm/low stress diesel towing experience. So the 2500 CTD is a great fit for me. But for hauling heavy, I completely agree with you.

 

[Riccochet]

There are also the folks that tow a lot in hilly/mountainous terrain. I live in the Ozarks and travel to the Rockies at least once a year. I was pushing my gas 3/4 tons far too hard, even with my 8K enclosed trailer. I vastly prefer the low rpm/low stress diesel towing experience. So the 2500 CTD is a great fit for me. But for hauling heavy, I completely agree with you.

oh yeah, at altitude nothing beats forced induction. Even for a regular car it's nearly a must to have something with a turbo or supercharger.

 

[dhay13]

Miles can also be a contributing factor. My son had a 2018 2500 6.4 that he put 90,000 miles on in 2 years. It depreciated very quickly. It towed his 8000lb TT with ease but he traded for a Cummins due to the high miles and resale value, not the towing.

 

[Riccochet]

Miles can also be a contributing factor. My son had a 2018 2500 6.4 that he put 90,000 miles on in 2 years. It depreciated very quickly. It towed his 8000lb TT with ease but he traded for a Cummins due to the high miles and resale value, not the towing.

Put 90k miles on anything in 2 years and the value is going to plummet.

 

[Tulecreeper]

No it is not real. My gas engine Laramie has a payload of 2938. I have seen a truck on a dea.er lot that was optioned identically to mine except it had the CTD. It had a payload of 2108. The only Ram 2500 with a payload of 3500 or higher is a Tracesman gas engine truck..probably a single cab or a 2WD. Even in a Chevy 2500 you would have to go with a gas engine to get a 3500# payload, though at an auto show I did see a Silverado 2500 crew cab high country diesel with a 3125 sticker....but no way close to that on a Ram.

My advice is that if you are towing heavy enough to need a diesel and you want a Ram, get the 3500.

Yep...or not, if you order specifically for cargo and towing capacity.

 

[dhay13]

Put 90k miles on anything in 2 years and the value is going to plummet.

True but not as much as the gasser. The CTD with similar miles were advertised for about $55,000 where the gassers with that many miles were around $40,000. We weighed the pros and cons of him getting the CTD and for the miles the CTD was worth it. Not by a bunch but it was worth it.

 

[Choupique]

Yep...or not, if you order specifically for cargo and towing capacity.

What's the details on that truck?

 

[Tulecreeper]

What's the details on that truck?

It's in my signature.

 

[Ratman6161]

True but not as much as the gasser. The CTD with similar miles were advertised for about $55,000 where the gassers with that many miles were around $40,000. We weighed the pros and cons of him getting the CTD and for the miles the CTD was worth it. Not by a bunch but it was worth it.

I'm not really seeing that as far as resale value. I tend to ignore "advertised" prices because everybody selling a decent used vehical believes whatever they have is gold. And dealers will often advertise high so they can then tell you you are getting a "discount" when they sell it to you for the real value. Just for grins, I went to kbb.com and got values for two hypothetical trucks. I used KBB because that represents an average actual selling price in my area. Both were 2018 2500 Laramie's with 60,000 miles and with no options selected other than color and engine choice. So otherwise identical other than gas vs diesel. On a private party sale, the top end of the range was 9,852 higher on the diesel than on the 6.4 gas. On trade in, the diesel was 6,024. So on the private party sale, thats right about what the difference is on a new truck and you actually lose a bit on a trade in. Now, if you assume top dollar for the diesel and lowest end for the gas (not likely) they are 14K apart on private party sale 12K apart on trade in...but you have to make a pretty huge assumption (top end for one and low end for the other) to get those numbers. Then, don't forget when you bought the truck new, you probably financed in the $9650(??) for the diesel engine so you would have some extra interest there.

Another factor is that for trucks purchased new today, no one really knows how fuel prices, Govt regulations, market conditions etc will influence used prices five years from now. In 2021 for example, I traded in to a GMC dealer a 2019 GMC Canyon that I had bought used from that same dealer. They actually bought it back from me for more than I paid them for it to begin with...but doing a similar trade today, that just wouldn't happen.. You just never know and things like that are not predictable. Personally, I just bought the truck that seems to meet my needs and desires the best, and resale is what it is. Also, I probably would not buy a used diesel unless there were maintenance records telling me exactly what had or hadn't been done to it.

 

[dhay13]

I'm not really seeing that as far as resale value. I tend to ignore "advertised" prices because everybody selling a decent used vehical believes whatever they have is gold. And dealers will often advertise high so they can then tell you you are getting a "discount" when they sell it to you for the real value. Just for grins, I went to kbb.com and got values for two hypothetical trucks. I used KBB because that represents an average actual selling price in my area. Both were 2018 2500 Laramie's with 60,000 miles and with no options selected other than color and engine choice. So otherwise identical other than gas vs diesel. On a private party sale, the top end of the range was 9,852 higher on the diesel than on the 6.4 gas. On trade in, the diesel was 6,024. So on the private party sale, thats right about what the difference is on a new truck and you actually lose a bit on a trade in. Now, if you assume top dollar for the diesel and lowest end for the gas (not likely) they are 14K apart on private party sale 12K apart on trade in...but you have to make a pretty huge assumption (top end for one and low end for the other) to get those numbers. Then, don't forget when you bought the truck new, you probably financed in the $9650(??) for the diesel engine so you would have some extra interest there.

Another factor is that for trucks purchased new today, no one really knows how fuel prices, Govt regulations, market conditions etc will influence used prices five years from now. In 2021 for example, I traded in to a GMC dealer a 2019 GMC Canyon that I had bought used from that same dealer. They actually bought it back from me for more than I paid them for it to begin with...but doing a similar trade today, that just wouldn't happen.. You just never know and things like that are not predictable. Personally, I just bought the truck that seems to meet my needs and desires the best, and resale is what it is. Also, I probably would not buy a used diesel unless there were maintenance records telling me exactly what had or hadn't been done to it.

Agreed you can't compare apples to oranges. This was 2 years ago and kbb on his truck was $35,000 with 95,000 miles on it. He got $29,000 on trade on a brand new 2021 2500 CTD Night Edition with a $68,000 sticker. When looking at similar CTD's with around $95,000 they were advertised at $55,000ish. Without actually going though with the purchase it's hard to get concrete numbers. This was also when lots were empty and finding anything was a shot in the dark. He went to a pretty large local dealer and they had 2 trucks on their lot. They only had 9 new vehicles where the sales guy said they normally had 300 so that likely played a role. Either way...not many people want a 2500 gasser with 95,000 miles but most wouldn't bat an eye at buying a 95,000 mile CTD

 

[jejb]

I'm not really seeing that as far as resale value. I tend to ignore "advertised" prices because everybody selling a decent used vehical believes whatever they have is gold. And dealers will often advertise high so they can then tell you you are getting a "discount" when they sell it to you for the real value. Just for grins, I went to kbb.com and got values for two hypothetical trucks. I used KBB because that represents an average actual selling price in my area. Both were 2018 2500 Laramie's with 60,000 miles and with no options selected other than color and engine choice. So otherwise identical other than gas vs diesel. On a private party sale, the top end of the range was 9,852 higher on the diesel than on the 6.4 gas. On trade in, the diesel was 6,024. So on the private party sale, thats right about what the difference is on a new truck and you actually lose a bit on a trade in. Now, if you assume top dollar for the diesel and lowest end for the gas (not likely) they are 14K apart on private party sale 12K apart on trade in...but you have to make a pretty huge assumption (top end for one and low end for the other) to get those numbers. Then, don't forget when you bought the truck new, you probably financed in the $9650(??) for the diesel engine so you would have some extra interest there.

In 2018, the CTD option was $8700. Go back and figure out, as a percentage, how much better the CTD held its value compared to the rest of the truck. I've found over the years that diesel engines almost always return close to 100% of the option price when sold/traded in.

I'm not making the argument that the diesel is always the way to go. It's not. But it does hold its value better than the rest of the truck.