3.0L Hurricane Updates?

[HEMIMANN]

There are millions that would disagree with Ford fixing most of the Ecoboost issues. Ford has so many engines with cam phaser failures they couldn’t afford to do a recall. They did figure out a solution but not until 2020. Also Ford never put out a 3.7L ecoboost at least in trucks that I’m aware of. They put out a 3.5L and a 2.7L in trucks.

Sorry, 3.5L. Dyslexic

What's the deal with the cam phaser? VVT I'd pretty common today.

 

[Riccochet]

There are millions that would disagree with Ford fixing most of the Ecoboost issues. Ford has so many engines with cam phaser failures they couldn’t afford to do a recall. They did figure out a solution but not until 2020. Also Ford never put out a 3.7L ecoboost at least in trucks that I’m aware of. They put out a 3.5L and a 2.7L in trucks.

Yeah the 3.7 is the Duratec N/A motor. Think that thing started life as a 3.2 back in the mid 2000's and grew larger in displacement over generations. It's an OK engine, nothing special.

The 3.5 Ecoboost started in 2009 in the SHO. Then it was put in the F150 in 2011.

 

[JerryETX]

Sorry, 3.5L. Dyslexic

What's the deal with the cam phaser? VVT I'd pretty common today.

In 2017 Ford revamped the motor to drastically increase the horsepower and torque. In doing so the installed cam phasers that weren’t lasting. Some would fail at 30k miles. Mine failed at 78k miles. Ford acknowledged the issue with an action release. I had to wait 3 months just to have mine looked at there were so many of these issues. It was bad from 17-19 models. By 2020 they mostly fixed the issue.

In my opinion Ford doesn’t want to make an engine that lasts for 200k miles. They want you to buy another vehicle instead. Same can be said about GM (they did away with their 5.3 v8 that was notorious for going well over 200k miles) and Ram (in doing away with the 5.7 v8).

 

[Riccochet]

In 2017 Ford revamped the motor to drastically increase the horsepower and torque. In doing so the installed cam phasers that weren’t lasting. Some would fail at 30k miles. Mine failed at 78k miles. Ford acknowledged the issue with an action release. I had to wait 3 months just to have mine looked at there were so many of these issues. It was bad from 17-19 models. By 2020 they mostly fixed the issue.

In my opinion Ford doesn’t want to make an engine that lasts for 200k miles. They want you to buy another vehicle instead. Same can be said about GM (they did away with their 5.3 v8 that was notorious for going well over 200k miles) and Ram (in doing away with the 5.7 v8).

Ford doesn't even honor their warranty while the vehicle is under warranty. Go ask any 2011-2013 F150 Ecoboost owner, like me. Or any 2016 Mustang owner about the paint bubbling off the hood due to a lack of primer. 2011-2013 Fusion transmissions?

 

[Docwagon1776]

I'm somewhat enjoying the irony of now the 5.7 is rock solid and reliable because it's being replaced, but any other thread is full of people complaining it's an unreliable and poorly designed engine that destroys cam shafts if you look at it sideways and don't use a voodoo priestess to bless your oil changes.

 

[HEMIMANN]

But consumers are up against the wall with too high prices, unreliability, and shortened life spans.

This can't go well - I predict massive sales declines across all truck makers.

 

[JerryETX]

I'm somewhat enjoying the irony of now the 5.7 is rock solid and reliable because it's being replaced, but any other thread is full of people complaining it's an unreliable and poorly designed engine that destroys cam shafts if you look at it sideways and don't use a voodoo priestess to bless your oil changes.

The 5.7 has plenty of issues. I don’t have a problem saying I’m not sad to see it go. But based on the pattern I’ve noticed I don’t believe the 3.0L hurricane will be any more reliable. That’s just me. Hopefully I’m wrong.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I still pine for a modern V8. Like I said, I think GM 6.6L may be the best of the lot, despite the quasi GDI. At least they left off the cylinder cutout this time.

 

[JerryETX]

I still pine for a modern V8. Like I said, I think GM 6.6L may be the best of the lot, despite the quasi GDI. At least they left off the cylinder cutout this time.

My best friend has a 2024 Chevy 2500 with that 6.6 gas. I know it doesn’t have the numbers the 7.3 does but I’m impressed with it. When they added the 10 speed tranny it made a world of difference. And he walked out the door for a little over 55k brand new. That’s with remote start, power seat, etc. It’s a nice truck as bad as a I hate to say it.

 

[Riccochet]

My best friend has a 2024 Chevy 2500 with that 6.6 gas. I know it doesn’t have the numbers the 7.3 does but I’m impressed with it. When they added the 10 speed tranny it made a world of difference. And he walked out the door for a little over 55k brand new. That’s with remote start, power seat, etc. It’s a nice truck as bad as a I hate to say it.

I do like the GM 6.6. It's a good engine. I even like the Ford 7.3.

But that 10R/10L transmission is a piece of dookie.

 

[HEMIMANN]

My best friend has a 2024 Chevy 2500 with that 6.6 gas. I know it doesn’t have the numbers the 7.3 does but I’m impressed with it. When they added the 10 speed tranny it made a world of difference. And he walked out the door for a little over 55k brand new. That’s with remote start, power seat, etc. It’s a nice truck as bad as a I hate to say it.

Yep. That's my conclusion too. Their ride and interior will never touch Ram, but what good is ride and comfort in insufficient powertrain?

 

[runamuck]

the sorry transmission was holding them back. I test drove one once and it just did not compare well to a 2500 ram with the 8 speed. now with a nice 6.6 motor and finally a good trans, they are a nice option and can be had for reasonable price.

 

[HEMIMANN]

the sorry transmission was holding them back. I test drove one once and it just did not compare well to a 2500 ram with the 8 speed. now with a nice 6.6 motor and finally a good trans, they are a nice option and can be had for reasonable price.

Damn I forgot about the trans before I posted.

Yeah, member experts here say GM fixed the 10 speed light duty and Ford fixed the 10 speed heavy duty. wtf

And - Ford planned to make a 6.8 V8. If they do it right, without lifter problems (see: 7.3) or cylinder cutout crap, I would go with them for a 3/4 ton Super Duty.

Why can't these guys make a complete truck? They let everyone with any experience go?

 

[JerryETX]

Damn I forgot about the trans before I posted.

Yeah, member experts here say GM fixed the 10 speed light duty and Ford fixed the 10 speed heavy duty. wtf

And - Ford planned to make a 6.8 V8. If they do it right, without lifter problems (see: 7.3) or cylinder cutout crap, I would go with them for a 3/4 ton Super Duty.

Why can't these guys make a complete truck? They let everyone with any experience go?

The cylinder deactivation is a huge issue for me. I have been looking at new to me 3/4 ton trucks and Ram is never in my search because of MDS. It is an absolute deal killer for me. Frustrating because despite issues some have I like the 6.4 Hemi.

 

[Riccochet]

Damn I forgot about the trans before I posted.

Yeah, member experts here say GM fixed the 10 speed light duty and Ford fixed the 10 speed heavy duty. wtf

And - Ford planned to make a 6.8 V8. If they do it right, without lifter problems (see: 7.3) or cylinder cutout crap, I would go with them for a 3/4 ton Super Duty.

Why can't these guys make a complete truck? They let everyone with any experience go?

The Ford and GM 10 speed are the same transmission. They both helped co-design it with Allison. 10R/10L, same thing. They both suffer from the same problems.

 

[White six four]

From what I've read the trans is the same but ford and gm have their own programming for it with gm's programming a lot better then ford's.

 

[HEMIMANN]

From what I've read the trans is the same but ford and gm have their own programming for it with gm's programming a lot better then ford's.

That's the light duty truck. The heavy duty is the inverse.

Crazy!

 

[Docwagon1776]

From what I've read the trans is the same but ford and gm have their own programming for it with gm's programming a lot better then ford's.

This is correct. I didn't drive the HD versions, but did test drive the 1/2 tons. Specifically the Ford Tremor, Ford Raptor, and Silverado ZR2. The Silverado was noticeably better. Some of this may very well have been the pairing with a 6.2L NA V8, but the Chevy was smoother, hunted gears less, and downshifted in a way I preferred over the Ford. The Ford wasn't *bad* per se, but I much preferred the Chevy drive train overall.

 

[tjfdesmo]

There are lots of physical differences between the 10L1000 and the 10R140.

Allison 10L vs Ford 10R

The battle of the 10 speeds. We dig in to the Ford 10R transmission and compare it to the Allison 10L - although they were designed in conjunction between Fo...

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[HEMIMANN]

The cylinder deactivation is a huge issue for me. I have been looking at new to me 3/4 ton trucks and Ram is never in my search because of MDS. It is an absolute deal killer for me. Frustrating because despite issues some have I like the 6.4 Hemi.

It's a killer in the GM because it stuck piston rings.

The killer in the Hemi is actually the Hemi - they don't oil the lifters sufficiently. Worse yet, Hemi was just a marketing ploy that worked - Hemi does NOTHING for engine power below 5,000 rpm. It's a friggin' RACE ENGINE in a pickup truck?!

Gimmee a modern truck V8!!