3.0L Hurricane Updates?

[ramffml]

Maybe you should be looking at the engine you are touting. It's plagued with issues. Cam/Lifter failures, harness failures, valve failures. It's a Ford product. It's a p.o.s. on 4 wheels.

I'm aware it has some cam hardening issues but that appears to be a vendor/production flaw and limited to a few engines.

I don't buy into "brandx = pos". It really depends on the product (not the brand), and the features of that product. Ram doesn't strike me as all that high quality over Ford, I've been on this forum for 4 years and let me tell you that I have gotten very nervous at times with my current ride.

I wouldn't know which way to bet, hemi vs 7.3, cummins vs powerstroke; Seems to me there is no real solid choice, just loyal fans picking their choice of poison.

 

[ThunderMug95]

What makes you think it's "wrung-to-within-an-inch-of-it's-life"? 500 HP for a turbo inline 6 is, well, no where near an inch of it's life. If it's built properly with forged internals, proper cooling and oiling, 500 HP is nothing.

Look at the 2JZ-GTE. People are getting 1500+ HP out of those 3.0 I6 turbo engines.

And who's to say the truck version won't be different? They could opt for an iron block, different turbo's, internals, cam profile and tuning to put out 450-475 HP and 450-475 ft/lbs, moving the torque to come on early like we'd want in a truck, while maintaining reliability.

That 3.0 liter is working a hell of a lot harder with more moving parts than a lumpy old V8. Just my thoughts. I am on Team Displacement. I want the 6.4 in the 1500. I will keep my tuned 5.7 and just make it better. As long as my chassis is good, I am keeping it.

 

[Riccochet]

I'm aware it has some cam hardening issues but that appears to be a vendor/production flaw and limited to a few engines.

I don't buy into "brandx = pos". It really depends on the product (not the brand), and the features of that product. Ram doesn't strike me as all that high quality over Ford, I've been on this forum for 4 years and let me tell you that I have gotten very nervous at times with my current ride.

I wouldn't know which way to bet, hemi vs 7.3, cummins vs powerstroke; Seems to me there is no real solid choice, just loyal fans picking their choice of poison.

I think they're all decent, but you're playing the lottery to get a good one from any brand. I lost that lottery on a 2011 F150 Ecoboost. Truck was plagued with so many issues, which Ford refused to acknowledge and repair, that lead to a long legal battle to get the truck replaced. When they replaced the truck with a left over 2012 I immediately traded it on a 2013 Ram. Two 1500's and my current 2500 later and no issues, knock on wood. I've owned a couple Ford's and GMC's prior, so not a brand loyalist.

I wouldn't touch a modern diesel from any brand. They're all garbage that require deep pockets to keep running once out of warranty.

 

[Ratman6161]

I hear ya I'm just tired of Ram sucking hind ti! to Ford and GM in the HD gas engine department. I'm just not a diesel engine fan and ready for Ram to step it up.

If you think Ram is "sucking hind tit" watch the TFL Truck towing tests on gas engine 2500's. The Ram 2500 they test actually beats the Chevy 6.6 gas even though theoreticallt y Chevy should be better as it has 36 more ft lbd of torque. May be due to the 6 sp transmission GM uses, but the Ram still wins against everything except the Ford 7.3. Also Ford has been doing turbo 6's for many years but still doesn't put them in the Super Duty even though the 3.5 ecoboost makes more torque than the 7.3. That should tell you something,

 

[ramffml]

If you think Ram is "sucking hind tit" watch the TFL Truck towing tests on gas engine 2500's. The Ram 2500 they test actually beats the Chevy 6.6 gas even though theoreticallt y Chevy should be better as it has 36 more ft lbd of torque. May be due to the 6 sp transmission GM uses, but the Ram still wins against everything except the Ford 7.3. Also Ford has been doing turbo 6's for many years but still doesn't put them in the Super Duty even though the 3.5 ecoboost makes more torque than the 7.3. That should tell you something,

That's just the stupidity of TFL and how they test. And they've been called out on that test many, many times.

Yes the 6 speed in the GM sucks for towing, but nobody drives like how they tested that truck. Anybody else (sane) would have forced a downshift in the GM instead of letting it lug at 2700 RPMs or whatever it was.

At worst, what they encovered was a transmission tuning flaw. There is no way that GM is 3 minutes behind the Ram. But when you let a truck bog down and lug its way up the mountain, well that's what you get.

 

[Ratman6161]

That's just the stupidity of TFL and how they test. And they've been called out on that test many, many times.

Yes the 6 speed in the GM sucks for towing, but nobody drives like how they tested that truck. Anybody else (sane) would have forced a downshift in the GM instead of letting it lug at 2700 RPMs or whatever it was.

At worst, what they encovered was a transmission tuning flaw. There is no way that GM is 3 minutes behind the Ram. But when you let a truck bog down and lug its way up the mountain, well that's what you get.

They are testing the truck as the manufacturer provided it and letting it do/work as the manufacturer programed it. If they shift manually they are test8ng how they drive it, not the way the manufacturer programmed it. They also come out and say many times in many videos that this is what they are doing and that in the real world they would manually shift it. But if they do that they aren't testing how well the trucks tow/haul mode does on its own.

Also, they are testing the whole truck so if their is a flaw in the transmission tuning, it wouldn't be revealed if they manually shift. In any such test you have to pay attention to what they say and what they are actually testing and of course apply a grain of salt if their scenario doesn't match theirs. For example in the mid-west I don't typically worry about climbing 11,000 foot mountain passes. When I occasionally go west I'll just go slow if I need to. Not perfect does not equal useless.

 

[Ronald E Shelton]

Is this your opinion or have you seen information on this?

I personally agree a 3.0L is a small engine for a heavy duty truck but the output numbers are impressive and I don’t see a big straight six fitti

Hopefully you are only talking "generally" about big sixes fitting in the RAM HD.
Especially since the CTD is really a "big six", both external dimensions and internal C.I.D.

 

[Rbertalotto]

nothing will ever replace the power, torq, longevity and versatility of the modern V8. try as they will a 6cyl anything is still missing 2 cylinders!!

You could not be more misinformed.....Try to find a V8 in most if not all current over the road trailer trucks...All have straight 6 engines. Loads of real engineers on YouTube discussing why a straight six, for heavy applications, FAR outperforms a V8.....V8 is for horsepower...Straight 6 is for torque......

 

[Rbertalotto]

Simply do a YouTube search for ..."why a straight 6 is better" and watch for hours!

 

[turkeybird56]

nothing will ever replace the power, torq, longevity and versatility of the modern V8. try as they will a 6cyl anything is still missing 2 cylinders!!
That said the whole thing with the twin turbsky's needs to be upgraded to a bigger single turbo in the trucks. to my knowledge they were supposed to be making 2 different Hurricanes for this purpose?? one with a single and the other with a twin. As this is a new option i dont know much about it. Think i will stick with my 5.7 HEMI a little longer till they at least get the "bugs" worked out of the system.

And Hey if anybody has information on this then don't be setting on it! information is power yes but inquiring minds want to know!!

Gonna run my mildly equipped early 2019 DT truck till the rims fall off, gorilla glue them back on and run the truck some more. Very happy with my non-E anything Hemi, works for me.