392 Swap - High Oil Temps - What Would You Do?

[danielmid]

Man, I love a good data table.

I'd lean towards the oil pressure drop being more related to the undersized oil filter rather than the cooler install. Most folks who run the RP filters are running the 20-500 if they have the room, or the 20-820 if not. If I remember right, that Fram XG10060 is the same size as the RP 10-48 which is the smaller size (as you noted) and generally not recommended here. No way to get the RP filter on with the cooler adapter?

The cooler looks to be doing it's job pretty well for oil and coolant temps, my vote would probably be to live with the pressure drop and gain the cooler until you can get the remote set up in for the best of cooling and filtering worlds.

What RPM are you calling Cruise?

 

[1SLwLS1]

Man, I love a good data table.

I'd lean towards the oil pressure drop being more related to the undersized oil filter rather than the cooler install. Most folks who run the RP filters are running the 20-500 if they have the room, or the 20-820 if not. If I remember right, that Fram XG10060 is the same size as the RP 10-48 which is the smaller size (as you noted) and generally not recommended here. No way to get the RP filter on with the cooler adapter?

The cooler looks to be doing it's job pretty well for oil and coolant temps, my vote would probably be to live with the pressure drop and gain the cooler until you can get the remote set up in for the best of cooling and filtering worlds.

What RPM are you calling Cruise?

Unfortunately to use the 20-820, I would need to either use the low profile sandwich adapter that doesn't have a thermostat (that I already own) OR purchase the improved racing low profile sandwich adapter that does have the thermostat. Brandon-w claims it fits with the large filter, and would be 0.35" thinner (1.75 vs 1.40) but would be around $275 for a temporary solution until I could get the hellcat pump installed. I do know when I tried the Fram XG2 when the 20-820s were on backorder last summer, there was definitely a couple pound pressure drop, so I think you have some truth to that. I definitely cannot fit the 20-500, I have some that my mustang uses and it is nowhere near do-able, unfortunately.

It's a PITA to set the proper oil level with the oil cooler draining back into the pan, evidenced by me possibly cavitating the pump, but I may need to leave it as we're not anywhere near the high ambient temps yet, I've still got 20+ degrees of ambient I need to accommodate so I may need to run the improved racing adapter, unhook the cooler to below the filter mount, re-mark the proper oil level, and run it until I can set it up correctly.

My cruise RPM for these tables is in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range, which affects the pressure +/- 2 PSI from the table.

I know many would accuse me overthinking, myself included, but it is exhausting - I just can't turn it off though.

 

[danielmid]

Unfortunately to use the 20-820, I would need to either use the low profile sandwich adapter that doesn't have a thermostat (that I already own) OR purchase the improved racing low profile sandwich adapter that does have the thermostat. Brandon-w claims it fits with the large filter, and would be 0.35" thinner (1.75 vs 1.40) but would be around $275 for a temporary solution until I could get the hellcat pump installed. I do know when I tried the Fram XG2 when the 20-820s were on backorder last summer, there was definitely a couple pound pressure drop, so I think you have some truth to that. I definitely cannot fit the 20-500, I have some that my mustang uses and it is nowhere near do-able, unfortunately.

It's a PITA to set the proper oil level with the oil cooler draining back into the pan, evidenced by me possibly cavitating the pump, but I may need to leave it as we're not anywhere near the high ambient temps yet, I've still got 20+ degrees of ambient I need to accommodate so I may need to run the improved racing adapter, unhook the cooler to below the filter mount, re-mark the proper oil level, and run it until I can set it up correctly.

My cruise RPM for these tables is in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range, which affects the pressure +/- 2 PSI from the table.

I know many would accuse me overthinking, myself included, but it is exhausting - I just can't turn it off though.

I guess I'm not following why a remote filter adapter/mount would not be a permanent solution even once the Hellcat pump is installed?

 

[1SLwLS1]

I guess I'm not following why a remote filter adapter/mount would not be a permanent solution even once the Hellcat pump is installed?

The remote filter mount would be permanent but a much more involved job due to the crazy amount of fittings required to plumb that up, plus my bench vise & bench is deep in storage. The easier temporary solution to utilize a larger filter involved using the thinner Improved Racing sandwich plate so that I could run the larger RP 20-820, as a temporary solution. Hell, maybe I just bite the bullet and go with a single remote setup with the integrated thermostat and pre-pay for a couple of AN lines, which would also be quick and easy.

 

[danielmid]

The remote filter mount would be permanent but a much more involved job due to the crazy amount of fittings required to plumb that up, plus my bench vise & bench is deep in storage. The easier temporary solution to utilize a larger filter involved using the thinner Improved Racing sandwich plate so that I could run the larger RP 20-820, as a temporary solution. Hell, maybe I just bite the bullet and go with a single remote setup with the integrated thermostat and pre-pay for a couple of AN lines, which would also be quick and easy.

Single remote filter with thermostat still gets my vote, halves the fittings and simplifies plumbing. Any local hose/offroad shops that can do AN lines?

 

[1SLwLS1]

Single remote filter with thermostat still gets my vote, halves the fittings and simplifies plumbing. Any local hose/offroad shops that can do AN lines?

Probably but they'd probably charge a similar fee to Improved Racing, which is $25/line. I currently have -8AN hose, the take off and remote housing can handle -10AN, I am thinking about upsizing as well.

 

[danielmid]

Probably but they'd probably charge a similar fee to Improved Racing, which is $25/line. I currently have -8AN hose, the take off and remote housing can handle -10AN, I am thinking about upsizing as well.

I run the -10AN and I think @crazykid1994 runs -10 also.

@Wild one runs -24AN or something crazy I'd bet.

 

[Dan Topp]

I had 240 temps with my vette and although I was assured 240 was ok I had twin b&m fan assist trans coolers installed where my parking lights were. 160 on.

 

[crazykid1994]

Why not run the low profile sandwich with an in line thermostat like what I did for my transmission. Piece of cake. And yea. Any bigger than -10 an I think is larger than the oil ports in the block.

 

[1SLwLS1]

Why not run the low profile sandwich with an in line thermostat like what I did for my transmission. Piece of cake. And yea. Any bigger than -10 an I think is larger than the oil ports in the block.

I was going to do that with the double remote mount setup but the fitting expense and my lack of a bench/vise until I move prohibit that. If I am going remote mount, I would rather have the larger 3/4"-16 thread filter and I can just integrate the thermostat in the remote mount housing.



Goooolly that is one $$$ shopping cart. They're out of 90 degree double swivel -10AN fittings so I had to go with the low-profile remote take off instead of the standard filter take off, and coming out of the filter mount, I chose 60 degree double swivel fittings instead of 90 degree fittings.

Anyone have any experience with push-lock fittings vs the AN fittings? They still use the same flare end connection as the AN but could save me some $$$ on labor.