5th gen mirrors

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Anyone know if a fifth GEN mirror will fit on a fourth GEN? Thanks


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They’ll fit, but you’ll have to re-arrange all the wires in the two connectors because the circuits are in different positions on the 5th gen door modules.

Ahh... very good to know, thanks. I have gotten very good at repinning connectors. How about the driver side armrest control, can that be swapped as well? Sure would be nice to get the blind spot mirror in the main mirror to work


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Ahh... very good to know, thanks. I have gotten very good at repinning connectors. How about the driver side armrest control, can that be swapped as well? Sure would be nice to get the trailer towing mini mirror in the main mirror to work


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I would think so. The connector for that is showing the same as 2016-2018s. As long as no dimension on the new master switch is smaller than a pre-2019 switch, you should be able to cut the hole in the armrest as needed to get it to fit.
 

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I thought the 19 mirrors where molded different ?
So they will bolt right up to my 2018 1500 ?
I can change the wiring no problem .Just wasn’t sure if they would bolt onto the truck .
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The 2019 2500/3500 mirrors are the ones that should bolt up on ours, not the 1500 5th gens. After thinking more about this, there won’t be a way to get the power convex mirrors or the trailer spot lamps to work, though (features on the tow mirrors), since AlfaOBD doesn’t have those listed to enable. Basically, the only functional feature you would be gaining is the blind spot indicators in the mirror glass.
 
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I did a little homework on this, but this info is for a 2019 1500 DT, not a 2500.

I have a 2017 1500 sport, with heated, power fold, puddle lamp. I added some memory seats and the goal was to add some memory mirrors. Have been looking for DS mirrors, but ran across some DT that are affordable. The 2017 modules look like they will take all pins, but I have a couple that I wasnt able to locate in the 2019, they are underlined , they are probably under a different name in the 2019 C1 and C2 listed below

One advantage, if they will fit, is that the 2019 covers can be replaced fairly easily with MOPAR OEM color matched covers, for about 65 dollars. So you dont have to paint

on the 2017 module pinouts below, the 2nd column is the corresponding pin from the 2019 DT






2017 C1 MODULE



PIN 2019

1 C1 -3 DRIVER MIRROR APPROACH LIGHT DRIVER

2 DRIVER MIRROR BLINDSPOT LAMP RETURN

2 DRIVER PUDDLE LAMP RETURN

3 NO CONNECT

4 C2-7 DRIVER EC MIRROR SIGNAL

5 C2-5 DRIVER EC MIRROR RETURN

6 DRIVER MIRROR TOW POSITION SIGNAL

7 C2-8 DRIVER MIRROR VERTICAL POSITION SIGNAL

8 C2-4 DRIVER MIRROR SENSOR GROUND

9 C2-3 DRIVER MIRROR HORIZONTAL POSITION SIGNAL

10 C2-2 5 VOLT SUPPLY


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2017 C2 MODULE



PIN 2019

1 C2-9 PWR FOLD MIRROR FOLD DRIV

2 C2-10 PWR FOLD MIRROR UNFOLD DRIV,

3 C1-2 DRIVER MIRROR HEATER RETURN

4 C1-6 DRIVER MIRROR HEATER DRIVER

5 C2-1 AAT SIGNAL

6 C1-9 DRIVER MIRROR VERTICAL DRIVER

7 C1-8 DRIVER MIRROR COMMON DRIVER

8 C1-10 DRIVER MIRROR HORIZONTAL DRIVER

9 C1-1 DRIVER MIRROR TURN SIGNAL DRIVER

10 DRIVER PUDDLE LAMP RETURN

10 DRIVER MIRROR TURN SIGNAL LAMP

*********************************************************************************
2019 C1 MODULE

1 P501 GY 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR TURN SIGNAL DRIVER

2 C160 BK 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR HEATER RETURN

3 P551 BK/BN 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR APPROACH LIGHT DRIVER

5 Z920 BN 0.50 GROUND

6 C16 BK 0.50 DRIVER MIRROR HEATER DRIVER

7 P711 BK/WH 0.35 DRIVER BLIND SPOT INDICATOR DRIVER

8 P73 BK/VT 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR COMMON DRIVER

9 P71 BK/YE 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR VERTICAL DRIVER

10 P75 BK/RD 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR HORIZONTAL DRIVER
**********************************************************************************

2019 C2 MODULE

Pin Circuit Wire Color Gauge/Size Function Option

1 G31 BN/VT 0.35 AAT SIGNAL

2 A856 BN/GN 0.35 5 VOLT SUPPLY

3 P65 VT 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR HORIZONTAL POSITION SIGNAL

4 P69 BN/GY 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR SENSOR GROUND

5 P136 BK/GY 0.35 DRIVER OUTSIDE EC MIRROR RETURN

6 G931 BN/BU 0.35 SENSOR GROUND

7 P135 BK/GN 0.35 DRIVER OUTSIDE EC MIRROR SIGNAL

8 P67 BU 0.35 DRIVER MIRROR VERTICAL POSITION SIGNAL

9 P694 RD 0.35 PWR FOLD MIRROR FOLD DRIV

10 P691 GN 0.35 PWR FOLD MIRROR UNFOLD DRIV
 
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I did a side-by-side comparison, and can confirm that Jimmy is correct. The 1500 DT mirrors will not fit on the 1500 DS

They appear to be the same size, but the bolt pattern is more spaced out on the DT


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The 2019 2500/3500 mirrors are the ones that should bolt up on ours, not the 1500 5th gens. After thinking more about this, there won’t be a way to get the power convex mirrors or the trailer spot lamps to work, though (features on the tow mirrors), since AlfaOBD doesn’t have those listed to enable. Basically, the only functional feature you would be gaining is the blind spot indicators in the mirror glass.
What is power convex and trailer spot lamps ?Puddle lamps ?
 

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Today when I was in my local postal mail, a ram rt arrived with folding mirrors of a ram 1500 2019 this is possible or had to make some modification they looked better than mine mottled in a 4th gen
 

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Has anyone done this yet? Bottom line, is it really feasible? I have a 2014 1500 with non-folding tow mirrors and I have to get power folders- was gonna do the traditional swap of the arm rest switch and door modules for Gen 4s but I just saw the new 2019s with the integrated blind spot mirrors & would love to be able to put them on even if it requires re-pinning the connectors
 

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Just found a set of 2019+ DT style mirrors on eBay painted to match my truck and came here to find out the same thing.

Does anyone have a 100% confirmed answer on if the new 5th Gen DT mirrors will work on the 4th Gen 1500’s?

Or if the 2500 Mirrors will work?


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Has anyone done this yet? I would be willing to drill a new hole or two to match the gen 5 bolt pattern if needed but the shape of the plastic where it mounts to the door would need to be correct as well. I don't care if I can't use any new features as long as the same features that are on the gen 4 will work. I have a line on some DT mirrors that even have matching color covers! They have blinkers and puddle lights as well. Specifically, will 5th gen 1500 mirrors bolt up to a 4th gen 1500 without mods beyond drilling new bolt holes? I am not worried about the electrical side if this swap. Thanks
 
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I would use a piece of cardboard, cut into a 4" X 4" square as a quick template

Pull off your Rams plastic cover where the mirror mounting bolts are
Using your fingers press the cardboard where the bolts are to get a pattern, it should make a usable impression.

Then the harder part would be to persuade someone that has a 5th Gen to allow you to pull off their plastic mirror piece & compare the mounting bolt pattern

If you get what i am trying to impart
 

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notice the Brace, it is what you would use, if you were installing Tow Mirrors

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mirror mounting bolts, 4th Gen

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2009 - 2018 mirror, lower clips have a 90 degree hook to them
upper clips just snap into place

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Thanks. After looking at these pics and pics of 5th gen mirrors it actually looks like the shape of the 'triangle' where it mounts to the truck is slightly different on the 5th gen mirror compared to the 4th gen. They seem close in shape so this may not be a deal breaker but its hard to say.
 
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