6.1 swap

[Max1329]

is it possible to use the 6.1 timing cover and accessories on a swap ? That way you could use the 6.1 heads and intake

 

[HemiLonestar]

Yes, however...are you willing to do/can afford getting rid of your clutch fan and switching to an electric fan (permanently), creating a custom air intake to the filter, rerouting and lengthening the alternator and throttle body wiring (at minimum) to their new locations, creating new A/C hoses to route to the compressor's new location and either a custom radiator or some creative hose work?
You do realize you don't NEED the 6.1 timing cover and accessories to use the 6.1 heads and intake, right....?
Before you go off half cocked, you don't need all that to go fast. Check out his truck: https://www.ramforum.com/members/chefred112.402/

-fastfreddie-
one quick 05 5.7 hemi qc... with over 309k on block... best et: 12.1 @113
-Inertia Motorsports 392 stroker assy born 7/2014

Prior to the stroker he was running big valve heads and a cam and running mid to high 12's all motor.

I mean, unless you really wanna do all that work and spend the money; knock yourself out lol

 

[Max1329]

Yes, however...are you willing to do/can afford getting rid of your clutch fan and switching to an electric fan (permanently), creating a custom air intake to the filter, rerouting and lengthening the alternator and throttle body wiring (at minimum) to their new locations, creating new A/C hoses to route to the compressor's new location and either a custom radiator or some creative hose work?
You do realize you don't NEED the 6.1 timing cover and accessories to use the 6.1 heads and intake, right....?
Before you go off half cocked, you don't need all that to go fast. Check out his truck: https://www.ramforum.com/members/chefred112.402/

-fastfreddie-
one quick 05 5.7 hemi qc... with over 309k on block... best et: 12.1 @113
-Inertia Motorsports 392 stroker assy born 7/2014

Prior to the stroker he was running big valve heads and a cam and running mid to high 12's all motor.

I mean, unless you really wanna do all that work and spend the money; knock yourself out lol

Sorry I just went to a shop and that’s what they told me obv they were wrong

 

[Max1329]

Yes, however...are you willing to do/can afford getting rid of your clutch fan and switching to an electric fan (permanently), creating a custom air intake to the filter, rerouting and lengthening the alternator and throttle body wiring (at minimum) to their new locations, creating new A/C hoses to route to the compressor's new location and either a custom radiator or some creative hose work?
You do realize you don't NEED the 6.1 timing cover and accessories to use the 6.1 heads and intake, right....?
Before you go off half cocked, you don't need all that to go fast. Check out his truck: https://www.ramforum.com/members/chefred112.402/

-fastfreddie-
one quick 05 5.7 hemi qc... with over 309k on block... best et: 12.1 @113
-Inertia Motorsports 392 stroker assy born 7/2014

Prior to the stroker he was running big valve heads and a cam and running mid to high 12's all motor.

I mean, unless you really wanna do all that work and spend the money; knock yourself out lol

Can you clearify then how I can use the 6.1 heads etc and use my 5.7 accessories because where the throttle body on the 6.1 interferes with the 5.7 timing cover

 

[HemiLonestar]

Can you clearify then how I can use the 6.1 heads etc and use my 5.7 accessories because where the throttle body on the 6.1 interferes with the 5.7 timing cover

I can clarify (dunno what clearify is). Nobody does research anymore....if you're insistent on using the 6.1 intake, get the modified timing cover that moves the alternator & compressor out of the way. You still have to lengthen the throttle body harness and convert to an electric fan, plus fab your own air intake tubing. This has been done for well over a decade, have you looked up anything...?

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[Max1329]

I can clarify (dunno what clearify is). Nobody does research anymore....if you're insistent on using the 6.1 intake, get the modified timing cover that moves the alternator & compressor out of the way. You still have to lengthen the throttle body harness and convert to an electric fan, plus fab your own air intake tubing. This has been done for well over a decade, have you looked up anything...?

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Yeah I have I’ve read every single post on the forum Referencing t referencing he 6.1 I was just a bit confused because a shop told me otherwise.
Does the 6.1 intake flow better? The heads are obviously better flowing right? Sorry about the occasional typo that’s just the dyslexia Showin it’s face a bit

 

[HemiLonestar]

Can't get EVERYTHING from a single forum lol. If I did that from the beginning I would've never done some of the mods I've done lol. Shops are hit or miss unless it's a reputable one with modern Mopar experience. Yes, the 6.1 intake does flow better as do the heads than the early 5.7 heads, though you have to decide if the cost of certain alterations to use them are worth it. I've shown you what modded 5.7 heads with the stock intake manifold can do. You said you didn't want to spend an inordinate amount of money but then you seem hell bent on doing a full 6.1 top end swap (which WILL cost you extra to make it work properly). This on top of a possible rebuild and/or long block replacement.

 

[Max1329]

Can't get EVERYTHING from a single forum lol. If I did that from the beginning I would've never done some of the mods I've done lol. Shops are hit or miss unless it's a reputable one with modern Mopar experience. Yes, the 6.1 intake does flow better as do the heads than the early 5.7 heads, though you have to decide if the cost of certain alterations to use them are worth it. I've shown you what modded 5.7 heads with the stock intake manifold can do. You said you didn't want to spend an inordinate amount of money but then you seem hell bent on doing a full 6.1 top end swap (which WILL cost you extra to make it work properly). This on top of a possible rebuild and/or long block replacement.

Unrelated but I can’t seem to remember if I thanked you for your service so thank you for protecting our freedoms

 

[Max1329]

Can't get EVERYTHING from a single forum lol. If I did that from the beginning I would've never done some of the mods I've done lol. Shops are hit or miss unless it's a reputable one with modern Mopar experience. Yes, the 6.1 intake does flow better as do the heads than the early 5.7 heads, though you have to decide if the cost of certain alterations to use them are worth it. I've shown you what modded 5.7 heads with the stock intake manifold can do. You said you didn't want to spend an inordinate amount of money but then you seem hell bent on doing a full 6.1 top end swap (which WILL cost you extra to make it work properly). This on top of a possible rebuild and/or long block replacement.

Yes the shop is strictly mopar preformancd,but everyone doesn’t know everything, how much power will be lost by using a stock 5.7 top end?

 

[HemiLonestar]

Unrelated but I can’t seem to remember if I thanked you for your service so thank you for protecting our freedoms

Never have to, that's what we're here for

Yes the shop is strictly mopar preformancd,but everyone doesn’t know everything, how much power will be lost by using a stock 5.7 top end?

I have doubts about that shop if they told you that you HAD to. Depends on how it's put together and tuned. You need to really sit down and think, then balance your performance goals and budget. No point going any further until you have a direction.

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[Max1329]

Never have to, that's what we're here for



I have doubts about that shop if they told you that you HAD to. Depends on how it's put together and tuned. You need to really sit down and think, then balance your performance goals and budget. No point going any further until you have a direction.

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Yeah he told me he had to but this is also a mopar racing shop and doesn’t like to do things half way

 

[HemiLonestar]

Yeah he told me he had to but this is also a mopar racing shop and doesn’t like to do things half way

Its not halfway if you want a street truck that actually functions. I'm not commenting further until you come up with a budget and performance goal, not just ooooh I want a 6.1 top end. Otherwise I wish you luck.

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[Redtruck-VA]

Max you might post some of questions on HTC, there are a couple trucks there with 6.1 heads/manifolds...

 

[jotin]

Not the best pictures, but here’s an 06 ram that came in and was 6.1 swapped


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[Max1329]

Max you might post some of questions on HTC, there are a couple trucks there with 6.1 heads/manifolds...

Awesome thanks alot

 

[Max1329]

Not the best pictures, but here’s an 06 ram that came in and was 6.1 swapped


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Any clue what he did with the ac/alternator?

 

[jotin]

Any clue what he did with the ac/alternator?

Down at the bottom like the LX cars with custom hoses for the AC


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[chrisp2493]

I don't remember if I posted on this forum since I'm not on it mush anymore, but I have done a full LX car 5.7/6.1 car timing cover swap. I have a write up detailing it all on Hemi Truck club. It's simple and it really really cleans up the engine bar. No major issues, but it is a technically unnecessary expense because theres no gains and there is the cost of the parts. But I am happy I did it. I plan on using a newer eagle truck intake and the cover swap really made that easier as far as having room for the intake manifold.
Untitled by Chris Pearce, on Flickr
Untitled by Chris Pearce, on Flickr

https://www.hemitruckclub.com/forum...timing-cover-to-a-car-timing-cover-29654.html