Bad Gas

[Jeepwalker]

I had several customers which were giant ethanol plants. They used to buy big equipment that we engineered/sold/set-up. When they removed the subsidies (or most of them -- a planned phase-out) several yrs ago, they all went through some economic shock to adjust to the new economic conditions. But they're still in business.

Ethanol (methanol) has a higher octane rating. One reason it's used in drag cars (among others).

There's so many other things in life to worry about than 10% ethanol in fuel. I can't believe people get so jazzed up on the topic.. ha ha....

Ethanol Race Fuel - Save Money By Switching Your Racer To E85 - Circle Track Magazine

In this tech article CIRCLE TRACK provides a guide to ethanol race fuel and explains why making the switch to E85 as your chosen race fuel will save you money - Circle Track Magazine

www.motortrend.com

 

[kurek]

I love the Al Gore platitudes.

At some point in everyone's life it becomes necessary to grow up and recognize there's more to all this than throwing rocks at "the other side"
I don't give one single flying **** about Al Gore.
But I also didn't consume ethanol in utero. The science is very much settled on this, the economic impact is real. You gotta be really, and I mean really obtuse to still be in denial about the importance of climate change. I don't care if you wear a red hat, I don't care if you drive a 4x4 and shoot guns guess what you'll find me at the range too. Not everything needs to be a dang political wedge. We're adults here, at least you're supposed to be if you got a drivers license.

Growth at Risk From Climate Change

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.

www.federalreserve.gov

 

[Tripper]

If corn gas is so good why do we have to subsidize the refineries to sell it. It's junk and doesn't need to be in a fuel tank.

 

[kurek]

If corn gas is so good why do we have to subsidize the refineries to sell it

you know petroleum is subsidized billions of dollars per year right? And the RFC (ethanol fuel subsidy) ended in 2011. This is so unbelievably dumb to still be hung up on. Have at it boys I'm out.

 

[GTyankee]

Some call it Climate Change, i call it Climate Cycle

We just had the coolest summer that we have had in about 7 years, in the area that i live in
Last Winter we had more snow days

I am hoping that we have more Rain days from October 1 to next October 1
That is when someone chose to measure rain here

 

[Jeepwalker]

This shouldn't be political. It doesn't matter what us truck guys want, technology is heading towards cleaner, stronger and better vehicles, be they gas or electric. Just turns out it seems (right now) electric is going to be the technology that'll get us there (or maybe hydrogen as a dark horse). The new gen electrics can recharge to 80% in 15 min. If they can get over the weight penalty of electrics, it'll be a no-brainer. Then the ethonal debate will be just a footnote in history. They're installing a few MAJOR solar/wind systems in our state and Tx is full of them (it's a lot cheaper energy nowadays). In x number of yrs gas cars will go the way they're going to go. The movement looks like it will be driven by young buyers if nothing else. Ask any up-and-coming 'Zoomer' if they want a gas or electric car and you get a clear direction the way the market is going to go, weather it takes 10 or 15 yrs. Car companies know this. Look at their 10yr plans.

A sales guy at the local Ford dealer told me the other day, they've had tons of interest in the Ford Lightening. Not a perfect truck, but it's a major leap forward. Even they were surprised how much buzz it's created. And who knows, maybe the new hydrogen tech will mature faster. There was a time guys weren't going to give up their horses for he!! or high water! LOL. Guess what, they did and they were happy to do so and didnt look back.

I remember when I got my first smart phone (early adopter here). All my friends teased me what a waste it was, they were no good, and a bunch of reasons they'd fail and their flip phone was better. I remember the conversation like it was yesterday. I told them in 3-4 yrs all phones would be smart phones. They all burst out laughing, like spit their beers out..kind of laugh. Guess what, none of them held onto their flip phones, ha ha. Just like very few people don't drive classic cars as DD's. Once performance is better/cleaner/cheaper/stronger, people will naturally go that direction. We're not there yet, but you can see the writing on the wall.

Diesels will probably live on for quite a while bc of heavy equipment, machinery, tractors, ease of manufacture and long shelf life, etc. Once a certain percentage of vehicles go electric the tippng point will be quick (just like smart phones) ..and gas will eventually be expensive to get (another disincentive to stick with gasoline vehicles). But we aren't there yet. Could take a while. It's going to suck for me ...mr king of gas guzzlers! ha ha

At that point in time people will look back and say, "Man, I can't believe we used to drive those old smelly, unreliable vehicles" ...ha ha. Well, except for those guys who still use flip phones, and ride their horse and buggy to town! lol

 

[HEMIMANN]

Best to not assume everyone's research was interrupted when facebook went down.

You know that aldehydes are just a scary sounding name for "things that have carbon, oxygen and hydrogen in them" .. that's the same as when someone tries to make water sound scary by calling it dihydrogen monoxide.

Net energy balance for production of ethanol has been positive for decades, which anyone who has actually "read up" would already know. And that's before taking into account the coproduction of livestock feed and commercial enzymes used in detergents, and the wax and lacquer products and cellulose packaging products all derived fromt he same crop.

I did not just wake up this morning with a hardon for ethanol. I have been having this tired old conversation for years and years. It's exhausting.

Well, we'll agree to disagree. I got my info and data while working in the powertrain biz for 22 years testing engines.

Climate change has nothing to do with whether ethanol is a benefit to internal combustion engines. That's a change of subject. I understand global warming science - we're not talking about that here.

 

[GTyankee]

There are now 3 big name small companies building electric powered Semi Trucks
One of those companies has even put one of his Electric Powered Semi Tractors on the drag strip & turned crazy speeds, but that is just a sales gimmick to show that it can be done.

A second company built and demonstrated that their Electric Semi truck can pull a fully loaded trailer & keep up with, but not racing, passenger vehicles from a standing start up to the speed limit.

The thing is they have not been able to keep the electric Semi Truck moving for a full days driving & that is a very important thing when it comes to long distance shipping

 

[GTyankee]

Actually we are getting off the subject

How is the original poster doing with his Ram that he accidently poured some bad fuel, no matter which type, into his Rams fuel tank ?

 

[RamSport13]

Try this to get out of limp mode, place your vehicle into park, cycle the key in the ignition to the "on" and "off" positions three times without firing the engine, then start the truck and limp mode should be reset. If this doesn't work, the problem might be related to a more serious issue like low fuel rail pressure, MAF sensor errors or emissions leak. Have the truck scanned for the diagnostic codes.

 

[MikeinSonoma]

So I ran my truck outta gas and I had a skidoo that I had just boughten the same day in the box of my 09 5.7L hemi and I siphoned the gas from it to put in my truck and it turned out to be bad gas. Since then it's been basically in a limp mode type state, I cant accelerate or do anything past 60kmh, it stalls, it sputters, it's doing all sorts of things that do not sound good. I dont have a clue what I should do. Any suggestions???

There’s a lot of miss information out there about ethanol blended fuel, below is a good link that reviews one of the best studies:

Is Ethanol Bad For Your Car's Engine?

Can Ethanol Damage Car Engines? The Truth About Ethanol FuelsRelated: Is Premium Gas Worth It? - https://youtu.be/dxAQmj3P8xsSubscribe for new videos every ...

youtu.be

 

[2019RamInSC]

FWIW.

Not All Gasoline Is Created Equal

Choosing the right gasoline is important for car maintenance. Different gas stations provide different qualities of gasoline, which can affect your vehicle's performance. Most Americans buy gas based price, not quality. AAA auto experts urge people to reevaluate their priorities in buying gas.

www.aaa.com

 

[Wild one]

It appears alot of you guys have missed the fact he's in Alberta.Finding ethanol free gas up here,isn't as easy as down south

 

[Mister Luck]

My first impression is how can you let your poor truck run out of gas ?

It use to be gasoline was a far superior fuel before being diluted by alcohol, there is a direct correlation between fuel mileage and alcohol percentage because alcohol burns faster and with less power.

The fuel filter in the truck may have been clogged by contaminates from the watercraft ,
and if you drive frequently with the trucks fuel gauge below half you may have shortened the filters life and complicated the life of the fuel gauge if you noticed the fuel gauge not reading correctly is this why you ran the truck out of gas ?

If you know how to check your fuel lines and injectors , do that.

If you know how to clean your fuel tank and change the tank fuel filter , do that also.

 

[GTyankee]

I am wary of the Gov't making us switch from a Petroleum fuel product to something that they say is much better for the Planet & just as efficient as the Petroleum fuel product.

The last time that they did it, look what happened
It would almost impossible to find an acre of land in the USA, that did not have contaminated ground water, courtesy of those that forced MTBE, METHYL TERTIARY-BUTYL ETHER (MTBE) to be used in our vehicles not that long ago.

They told us back then that it was better for the Planet

Isn't that what they are touting now ?

They can't do much to hurt me, because of my age
I am worried about my Brothers children & Grand children

 

[bcbouy]

It appears alot of you guys have missed the fact he's in Alberta.Finding ethanol free gas up here,isn't as easy as down south

bs.any high octane has NO ethanol in it in Canada,regardless of the brand.and every station has reg,mid, high octane.and many stations near popular boating areas has high octane marked gas priced at mid grade levels.

 

[Wild one]

bs.any high octane has NO ethanol in it in Canada,regardless of the brand.and every station has reg,mid, high octane.and many stations near popular boating areas has high octane marked gas priced at mid grade levels.

Not in Alberta so much,maybe you guys do in BC.Point me to all these popular boating spots in Alberta,that are with-in feasable driving distance to get gas to thin out what he already has in the tank,lol.You'll observe he has 3 gas stations to pick from in Gibbons,none of them will carry ethanol free high octane 91 or 93/94,i kinda doubt the Petro Can in Gibbons will even have 94.

https://www.gibbons.ca/public/download/files/179768

 

[Bandit1859]

So I ran my truck outta gas and I had a skidoo that I had just boughten the same day in the box of my 09 5.7L hemi and I siphoned the gas from it to put in my truck and it turned out to be bad gas. Since then it's been basically in a limp mode type state, I cant accelerate or do anything past 60kmh, it stalls, it sputters, it's doing all sorts of things that do not sound good. I dont have a clue what I should do. Any suggestions???

Sea foam is the best stuff to add to gas

 

[HEMIMANN]

Ah, good 'ol MTBE. Those were the days.

 

[Mister Luck]

Not in Alberta so much,maybe you guys do in BC.Point me to all these popular boating spots in Alberta,that are with-in feasable driving distance to get gas to thin out what he already has in the tank,lol.You'll observe he has 3 gas stations to pick from in Gibbons,none of them will carry ethanol free high octane 91 or 93/94,i kinda doubt the Petro Can in Gibbons will even have 94.

https://www.gibbons.ca/public/download/files/179768

Some gas stations in the PNW sell the 98 octane for recreational vehicles OHV ‘s and Boats but when I ask if they use Methanol instead of Alcohol no one knows
I don’t want to trust an unknown fuel mixture to my injector seals.