Concealment

[cgeorgemo]

Picked up a Springfield XDS 4.0 this past weekend and it fits there also with the 7 shot mag.

 

[PX8]

I do not conceal a weapon in my truck nor would I post such a thing on the Internet if I did for several reasons.

Things that make you say hummmm....

 

[Statcher1]

Picked up a Springfield XDS 4.0 this past weekend and it fits there also with the 7 shot mag.

How you liking that XDs 4.0? If it a 9mm or 45? I have been looking at adding a 9mm version to my safe.


Sent from the Rocket in my Pocket

 

[cgeorgemo]

It is 9mm. I like it, its as acurate as my sub-compact and more comfortable to carry.

 

[blackdog714]

There have been multiple studies that show, statistically, the .22 long is just as deadly for self defense as 9mm and .45 ACP. All of the energy of the .22 round is transferred to the assailant's body, and it tends to "bounce around" inside of the person. So with a good shot, and up close its very feasible. I'd personally prefer something with a little more ass to it.

Prove it... This "bounce around" crap is just that, crap. There have been NO studies that have EVER shown .22 to be "just as deadly" as 9mm, 40 cal or .45ACP.

Please stop giving firearm advice when you are so woefully unqualified to do so...

 

[blackdog714]

Man, some of you guys are risking serious consequences having your guns in the vehicle like that. Where are you driving and what are you doing that you need to have such quick access to a firearm? I'll stick with my solution and be safe, stealthy and legal.

Your solution is totally worthless if you actually NEEDED your gun. As gun owners, we tend to eat our own so much, we don't need the libs to do it...

"Serious consequences" for what? Exercising our freedoms? You've been drinking the lib Kool-Aid so much you have to ask WHY the NEED to have quick access? How about because he WANTS it? It's about freedom and being a citizen not a subject.

I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum is driving around Kabul or Mosul but carjackings and idiot mouthbreathers that can't control their temper happens everywhere, regardless of their socioeconomic situations...

I'd be willing to bet that carjackings happen much more where the people are not going to be armed. I've not heard of many carjackings in Compton or the Bronx LOL

 

[HemiPower36]

I keep mine on my hip. In all 50 states.

However. When it comes to long guns, I have them in their own separate lock boxes. Ammo in an ammo case. This is typical for me when I head to the range. Everything goes on the floor board and is covered with a blanket.

In my 14' I have two floor storage compartments that are nice for ammo. Usually I have everything else in a range bag. I keep it covered and I don't advertise what I have. I am discreet when I load/ unload my truck at home.

 

[ramenthusiast]

Your solution is totally worthless if you actually NEEDED your gun. As gun owners, we tend to eat our own so much, we don't need the libs to do it...

"Serious consequences" for what? Exercising our freedoms? You've been drinking the lib Kool-Aid so much you have to ask WHY the NEED to have quick access? How about because he WANTS it? It's about freedom and being a citizen not a subject.

I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum is driving around Kabul or Mosul but carjackings and idiot mouthbreathers that can't control their temper happens everywhere, regardless of their socioeconomic situations...

I'd be willing to bet that carjackings happen much more where the people are not going to be armed. I've not heard of many carjackings in Compton or the Bronx LOL

Quick access to a handgun is more likely to be used in a road rage incident than the thwarting of an actual crime. Most cops also don't like having to disarm a motorist for a simple traffic infraction. I lived for 32 years in L.A. and not once did I ever need to access my weapon so quickly that having it handy made any difference. Even in '92 when the Rodney King riots broke out right in front of my shop. I am far from a liberal, believe me. I'm just practical don't live in fear of being a victim because I use my brain rather than dependence on a firearm to keep me out of trouble.

 

[Cruizer]

Yay! A gun debate. (sarcasm)

Fairly certain this was a thread to see how you concealed your firearm in your truck. Not how you feel about concealment. Its perfectly legal in many states to carry concealed in your truck with a permit.

So please, keep your moral and/or political debates in another thread/forum.

 

[ramenthusiast]

Yay! A gun debate. (sarcasm)

Fairly certain this was a thread to see how you concealed your firearm in your truck. Not how you feel about concealment. Its perfectly legal in many states to carry concealed in your truck with a permit.

So please, keep your moral and/or political debates in another thread/forum.

He called me a liberal! I had to respond.

 

[blackdog714]

Quick access to a handgun is more likely to be used in a road rage incident than the thwarting of an actual crime. Most cops also don't like having to disarm a motorist for a simple traffic infraction.

Post another thread in the proper place and prove it. You've made HUGE correlations (not causations) and have done NOTHING to prove it. I'm sure that if you are correct, you'll be able to find something, right? I'll be waiting for the PM for the new thread link in which you've definitively proven your asinine falsehoods...

The picture you posted wasn't "concealment" it was storage...

PS: If you don't want to be called a liberal, stop acting like one. Freedom isn't fighting for what you believe in, it's fighting for what you don't believe in with the same vigor as your own beliefs.

Sorry mods, I'm done with this and I'll happily await a private message linking the new thread to further discuss this...

 

[Omicron]

Here and I thought this thread was about where to conceal a pistol in our Rams. LOL.

BTW folks, Glock does indeed make a US Legal .380 ACP, called the Glock 42. Been on the market since about June. Great little pocket gun, much smaller and thinner than the G26/27 models, and a nice shooter.

 

[USMC1188]

Post another thread in the proper place and prove it. You've made HUGE correlations (not causations) and have done NOTHING to prove it. I'm sure that if you are correct, you'll be able to find something, right? I'll be waiting for the PM for the new thread link in which you've definitively proven your asinine falsehoods...

The picture you posted wasn't "concealment" it was storage...

PS: If you don't want to be called a liberal, stop acting like one. Freedom isn't fighting for what you believe in, it's fighting for what you don't believe in with the same vigor as your own beliefs.

Sorry mods, I'm done with this and I'll happily await a private message linking the new thread to further discuss this...

Seems like every post you've made in this thread has been talking crap on someone else's post. Is that REALLY what we are here for? C'mon... there are political and gun forums for that reason...







I keep mine on my side if I have it with me. Ohio law states that if you have your CCW, it must be on your person in the vehicle or stored in "a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun, or the loaded handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed, glove compartment or console, or in a case that is locked.

 

[ramenthusiast]

Seems like every post you've made in this thread has been talking crap on someone else's post. Is that REALLY what we are here for? C'mon... there are political and gun forums for that reason...

Thank you, fellow jarhead. I feel neither the motivation or obligation to reply to his demand in here or elsewhere. Bullies are best ignored.

 

[bigsarge]

Just another reason I love Arizona, one of the most gun friendly states in the country, don't even need a permit to conceal.

I do not have a picture as I'm deployed, but every time I enter my truck I take my gun and sandwich it between the jumper seat and backrest/console. I can get to it in a heartbeat and it's out of sight. I do not leave a guns in my truck.

Though I own multiple calibers, I normally carry my Ruger SR9c, by far the most comfortable gun I've shot, and I know it will be there for me when I need it. Depending on where I go and what I'm wearing I'll also carry my Ruger LCP .380 with hollow points.

If I open carry (rare) I'll carry my SR1911 or SR45, both Ruger. I have a thing for Ruger, probably because they're made in the great state of Arizona (...and Conneticut).

 

[blackdog714]

Seems like every post you've made in this thread has been talking crap on someone else's post.

Having someone back up some absurd statement is talking crap?

How is correcting BAD information talking crap?

Have we gone so far down the rabbit hole that someone cannot challenge someones statement with being labeled a "bully"???

My intent wasn't to malign someone, but to correct info that is passed around as fact but in reality has no basis of truth. There are MANY people that think they know something because they've read it on the internet. Asking someone to back up their statement isn't anything more than conversation...

I feel neither the motivation or obligation to reply to his demand in here or elsewhere. Bullies are best ignored.

See, it's easy for you to chortle to yourself and label me a bully (really? give me a break...) while still ignoring the fact that you've made assertions that cannot be backed up and are untrue. I'm not bullying you to do anything. I'm trying to make sure that OTHER people reading this don't automatically think that what YOU are saying is fact.

I asked you to create a thread in the appropriate forum to continue this discussion because I like to know if I'm wrong. I'd LOVE to see you come up with ANYTHING that proves your assertions.

As an aside, I do like the box you have. It's a nice piece of kit for storing valuables in the center console.

BTW, I didn't actually call you a liberal...

 

[ramenthusiast]

I'll indulge you this once.
Statistics are hard to come by since no particular entity tracks either road rage using a firearm or carjackings thwarted by armed drivers (the most likely crime a driver would be a victim of), but Safemotorist.com says "Over a seven year period, 218 murders and 12,610 injuries were attributed to road rage." They also say that "37% of aggressive driving incidents involve a firearm." Given the number of drivers out there that could be a very high total. They don't say when the 7 year period was, unfortunately, and there's no date on the article.

The site crimedoctor.com says that approximately 49,000 carjackings and attempts occur each year with half of them failing. 92% of successful carjackings involve an armed assailant. The study they quoted comes from '92-'96, a time when carjackings were much more commonplace than today when people are more aware of the crime and other deterrents have become available. Still, a failure rate of 50% is probably accurate today although the total number per year is probably lower. There are no statistics for how many of those failures were due to the victim being armed, but given the nature of carjackings one can surmise that it is a lot lower than the number of road rage incidents involving a firearm. Consider that most carjackers sneak up on their victims catching them unaware and 92% of successful perpetrators are armed, it is easy to extrapolate that few carjack victims are able to retrieve a weapon quickly enough to thwart their attacker. Another statistic I read also said that women are far more likely to be carjacked than men, making it even more likely for the carjacker to be successful (sorry ladies). A woman is less likely to be carrying a firearm and even ones that do will likely have slower access to it than a man.

Based on those figures I will stick to my assertion that a gun in a vehicle, whether in a lockbox, stashed between the seats or on your person, is more likely to be used in a road rage incident than in the actual thwarting of a crime. That's not to say all crime, but mainly the ones a driver might become involved in while driving. Nobody keeps statistics on other crimes thwarted by an armed driver who just happened to witness a crime while driving by or was alerted to a crime and drove to it (such as a break-in). For the sake of this argument I am only concerned with situations an armed driver might find themselves in while driving.

 

[Sharp Charge]

I keep mine on my side if I have it with me. Ohio law states that if you have your CCW, it must be on your person in the vehicle or stored in "a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun, or the loaded handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed, glove compartment or console, or in a case that is locked.

FYI, this portion of the CCW law was removed a few years ago.

 

[cgeorgemo]

I'll indulge you this once.
Statistics are hard to come by since no particular entity tracks either road rage using a firearm or carjackings thwarted by armed drivers (the most likely crime a driver would be a victim of), but Safemotorist.com says "Over a seven year period, 218 murders and 12,610 injuries were attributed to road rage." They also say that "37% of aggressive driving incidents involve a firearm." Given the number of drivers out there that could be a very high total. They don't say when the 7 year period was, unfortunately, and there's no date on the article.

The site crimedoctor.com says that approximately 49,000 carjackings and attempts occur each year with half of them failing. 92% of successful carjackings involve an armed assailant. The study they quoted comes from '92-'96, a time when carjackings were much more commonplace than today when people are more aware of the crime and other deterrents have become available. Still, a failure rate of 50% is probably accurate today although the total number per year is probably lower. There are no statistics for how many of those failures were due to the victim being armed, but given the nature of carjackings one can surmise that it is a lot lower than the number of road rage incidents involving a firearm. Consider that most carjackers sneak up on their victims catching them unaware and 92% of successful perpetrators are armed, it is easy to extrapolate that few carjack victims are able to retrieve a weapon quickly enough to thwart their attacker. Another statistic I read also said that women are far more likely to be carjacked than men, making it even more likely for the carjacker to be successful (sorry ladies). A woman is less likely to be carrying a firearm and even ones that do will likely have slower access to it than a man.

Based on those figures I will stick to my assertion that a gun in a vehicle, whether in a lockbox, stashed between the seats or on your person, is more likely to be used in a road rage incident than in the actual thwarting of a crime. That's not to say all crime, but mainly the ones a driver might become involved in while driving. Nobody keeps statistics on other crimes thwarted by an armed driver who just happened to witness a crime while driving by or was alerted to a crime and drove to it (such as a break-in). For the sake of this argument I am only concerned with situations an armed driver might find themselves in while driving.

I think that you are mistaking gun carry with gun storage/transport.
A gun you can't access quickly when needed might as well be unloaded and stored at home.
I do like your boxes for storing a gun while I am some place that I can't legally carry but I don't have the type of console yours is limited to...
I'll have to keep using my under seat lockbox for storage.

 

[ramenthusiast]

I think that you are mistaking gun carry with gun storage/transport.
A gun you can't access quickly when needed might as well be unloaded and stored at home.
I do like your boxes for storing a gun while I am some place that I can't legally carry but I don't have the type of console yours is limited to...
I'll have to keep using my under seat lockbox for storage.

Not confused at all. Someone using a weapon in a road rage incident has the time to retrieve it from my lockbox, a glove compartment, under a seat, between the cushions, from their waistband or holster...almost anywhere within reach of the driver simply because those situations usually unfold over time. In the case of a carjacking, most are committed by surprise and usually with the perpetrator pointing a gun directly at the victim. Even if you had a firearm on your person would you try to retrieve it with a gun pointed at your head? More likely you would surrender the car and then hope you could get a shot off at the thief as he was leaving (which in most states would put you in legal jeopardy since at that point you are no longer considered to be in danger).

My original point was that having a gun readily accessible inside a vehicle it is more likely to be used in a road rage incident than in stopping a crime, especially a carjacking, the most common crime committed against drivers. As you have said, a lockbox is geared towards those who need somewhere safer than their glove compartment to store or transport not just a firearm, but anything of value that needs to be left in your truck for a period of time. It is also helpful for those who do carry weapons who want somewhere secure to keep one when they also have children in the vehicle. If your need is to always have near-instant access to your firearm while driving, that is not the purpose of a lockbox.