Consumer Reports Predicted Reliability for '22 Ram 1500 Classic

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Consumer Reports has just released their predicted reliability study results for 22 MY trucks. The publication provides a five-tier predicted reliability scoring system, with 1 out of 5 indicating poor reliability and 5 out 5 indicating excellent reliability.
  • 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500HD: 4/5
  • 2022 GMC Sierra 2500HD: 4/5
  • 2022 Ram 1500: 3/5
  • 2022 Ram 2500: 3/5
  • 2022 Ram 3500: 3/5
  • 2022 Ford F-250: 3/5
  • 2022 Chevy Silverado 3500HD: 3/5
  • 2022 GMC Sierra 3500HD: 3/5
  • 2022 Toyota Tundra: 3/5
  • 2022 Ford F-150: 2/5
  • 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning: 2/5
  • 2022 Ford F-350: 2/5
  • 2022 Nissan Titan: 2/5
  • 2022 GMC Hummer EV Pickup: 2/5
  • 2022 Nissan Titan XD: 2/5
  • 2022 Rivian R1T: 2/5
  • 2022 Tesla Cybertruck: 2/5
  • 2022 GMC Sierra 1500: 1/5
  • 2022 Chevy Silverado 1500: 1/5
  • 2022 Ram 1500 Classic: 1/5
Sadly, the 22 Ram 1500 Classic earns their lowest vote of confidence. Interestingly no trucks for 22 earn a 5/5 rating, perhaps due to concerns with BAU disruptions with the parts and labor shortages causing shortcuts.

Read more: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/small-pickup-trucks-reliable-full-size-truck-models/

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Consumer Reports has just released their predicted reliability study results for 22 MY trucks. The publication provides a five-tier predicted reliability scoring system, with 1 out of 5 indicating poor reliability and 5 out 5 indicating excellent reliability.
  • 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500HD: 4/5
  • 2022 GMC Sierra 2500HD: 4/5
  • 2022 Ram 1500: 3/5
  • 2022 Ram 2500: 3/5
  • 2022 Ram 3500: 3/5
  • 2022 Ford F-250: 3/5
  • 2022 Chevy Silverado 3500HD: 3/5
  • 2022 GMC Sierra 3500HD: 3/5
  • 2022 Toyota Tundra: 3/5
  • 2022 Ford F-150: 2/5
  • 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning: 2/5
  • 2022 Ford F-350: 2/5
  • 2022 Nissan Titan: 2/5
  • 2022 GMC Hummer EV Pickup: 2/5
  • 2022 Nissan Titan XD: 2/5
  • 2022 Rivian R1T: 2/5
  • 2022 Tesla Cybertruck: 2/5
  • 2022 GMC Sierra 1500: 1/5
  • 2022 Chevy Silverado 1500: 1/5
  • 2022 Ram 1500 Classic: 1/5
Sadly, the 22 Ram 1500 Classic earns their lowest vote of confidence. Interestingly no trucks for 22 earn a 5/5 rating, perhaps due to concerns with BAU disruptions with the parts and labor shortages causing shortcuts.

Read more: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/small-pickup-trucks-reliable-full-size-truck-models/

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Wow. That is hard to believe all I ever see on the roads are rams and fords. Disturbing.
 
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Ah the ol "here is a list of who paid us the most", and Ram paid them the least eh?
That's JD Powers, but CR buys all their own vehicles, doesn't allow ads, doesn't allow manufacturers to wine and dine them and if they fly to a manufacturer's event its their policy they won't accept food or hotel or anything and have to pay for their own flight and everything out of pocket to minimize financial influence.
 

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Gonna have to just shrug my shoulders on that one. No part of me believes CR about anything, their history isn't exactly spotless.

The thing is I'm not even a fan of FCA/Ram/Stellantis/Judy or whatever it calls itself these days so this is in no way a fanboy defense of Ram.

What I just don't see anywhere is any evidence to back up the 1 out of 5 reliability claim for a product that's been in the market for 12 years at this point, selling hundreds of thousands of units and as far as I know not earning a poor reputation among owners or reviewers for reliability. The worst problem seems to be the lifter failure and even that appears to be infrequent enough that nobody can cite any statistics about it.

So what are they basing that on? Rivian's rated better, has Rivian even shipped any trucks to customers yet?
 

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I'll call BS on that, too.

Ram Classic is the worst. Pay no attention to the fact that we have a completely new body design, yet, for the last 3 years, we kept right on making the older body style AND called it the Classic, because it's so terrible.
 

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The funny part is the 5th gen has the exact same drive train, is newer, and has a 4/5. Hmm.

I gave up on CR when they docked points on the vette due to lack of cup holders. They should just turn off the lights and go home.

Edit: Maybe it's the Eco Diesel dragging it down? Can you still get the diesel in the classic?
 

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We were long time CR magazine subscribers. 20+ years. But stopped about 5 years ago as the green agenda became more and more influential in their ratings. And the reporting took a nose dive too. One of the last mags we got an article about "if you haven't tried a Malibu, you're really missing out". All about how good the car was. Then 20 pages further on, their rating for the same car was less or far less than reliable.

Anyway, you do need to take their ratings with a grain of salt, especially predicted ones. They don't take industry money and buy their own stuff to test, so that's great. And their past year ratings are based on subscriber surveys, so that's pretty good stuff. But I'd be worried about "other things" creeping into their predictions.
 
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We were long time CR magazine subscribers. 20+ years. But stopped about 5 years ago as the green agenda became more and more influential in their ratings. And the reporting took a nose dive too. One of the last mags we got an article about "if you haven't tried a Malibu, you're really missing out". All about how good the car was. Then 20 pages further on, their rating for the same car was less or far less than reliable.

Anyway, you do need to take their ratings with a grain of salt, especially predicted ones. They don't take industry money and buy their own stuff to test, so that's great. And their past year ratings are based on subscriber surveys, so that's pretty good stuff. But I'd be worried about "other things" creeping into their predictions.
I'm not seeing the "green" agenda affecting reliability scores, as the 2500HD does well while EVs are rated low on predicted reliability.
  • 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500HD: 4/5 <-13mpg
  • 2022 Rivian R1T: 2/5 <-EV
  • 2022 Tesla Cybertruck: 2/5 <-EV
Oddly, back in 2013, the refreshed Ram 1500 was CR's top pick and got recommended status with a score of 78. "The Ram 1500 is surprisingly luxurious and refined — but still fully capable of doing hard work when needed," says Jake Fisher, director of Consumer Reports Auto Test Center in East Haddam, Conn. "Continued interior and powertrain improvements make the Ram a particularly well-rounded choice." The publication says that the truck "delivers one of the best rides of any pickup, thanks to its unique coil spring rear suspension. It has a super-quiet, super-roomy crew cab, and the optional UConnect infotainment touch screen is one of the best in the business. They've also listed Ram as the third highest ranking brand when it comes to consumer satisfaction in the past.

The reliability score also is independent of their full score, as we can see the Jeep Gladiator scored only a 2/5 on predicted reliability, in spite of being one of their favorite pickups. They gave it a score of 80, which is on par with their long-term favorite pickup the Ridgeline.

I'm not sure what made them lower their predicted reliability for the Ram 1500 Classic specifically, unless they have some insider info about Ram making quality sacrifices for the sake of meeting production on what is now their "budget" truck? Toyota for example was actually open in confirming to the press just now that they have in fact lowered their quality standards in order to meet production demands among part shortages. They reported that 75% of what in the past would have been rejected as too damaged will now still be installed on their 22 MY vehicles, so if say a muffler has a big dent in it, they'll still install it anyway as long as it works. Perhaps they know of others making shortcuts or part substitutions too?
 

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I might care what CR thinks about a toaster or lawnmower, but they're ridiculously biased in the vehicle arena and always have been.
 

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CR actually rates most of the model years of the 4th gen around average (3/5) so I don't understand that prediction either. I know until recently they listed the 5th gen as poor reliability but recently raised it so its hard to say they hate ram when they recommend the 5th gen. Average isn't bad; few trucks ever get better than that. The previous tundra model did but that's about it.
 

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I tell you what is dragging the rams down maybe at some point we should acknowledge it, the hemi cam lifter issue, yes it is that big. Something else that lends credibility to this list, is the list above it. While I think Nissan's are reliable, my thoughts on them comes from the older trucks, so I can see how those have fallen. And while I hate the ridgeline, you can understand how they can be reliable as a honda, same rating as ford. GMC and Gladiator and Hundai and Nissan all own the bottom of the list where most of them belong for sure. They rate Ford ranger above tacoma, yup, me too.

There is plenty to like/love about rams, but there is plenty of garbage to be piszed about as well.
 

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Take it with a grain of salt. I stopped CR years ago when I bought their top rated appliances and they turned out to be junk. Many of the cars we’ve owned over the years have had horrible ratings from CR but turned out to be good vehicles.
 

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I neva worry what CR, or ne other publication does rating stuff and all to make money. Buy what I like, and maintain the MX properly and just drive on. But that is me, and I's a BOIRD. If my ride does not perform, trade it off and get something else. Real easy actually. But again, IMHO...

May explain why I have a Gen 5 outside, and a 16 YOA Honda Trike in the garage. If the RAM makes me unhappy, I wave bye bye.. LOL...
 
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I tell you what is dragging the rams down maybe at some point we should acknowledge it, the hemi cam lifter issue, yes it is that big.
Wouldn't that affect all vehicles with the Hemi? They rate the Challenger with the Hemi as one of the most reliable vehicles and is on their recommended list, and the 5th gen is higher rated and has the same engine I think.
 

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I just looked at the details on the ram classic reliability rating. They only show enough data to rate the 2019 and not enough for 2020 or 2021. So I would say it's likely their sale size is questionable on that model. They list engine issues. Fuel system issues, and brake issues as some of the top ones. None of which seem right unless it's the ecodiesel... a 2019 hemi wouldn't be that likely to eat its cam already. But really it's likely that they just don't have enough responses on it to be accurate.
2016-2018 all are average(3/5) and earlier 4gen are mostly 2/5 with 2013 being better for some reason and 2015 worse.
 

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Consumer Reports is 99.9% BS.
Back when I was in the electronic business (yeah, fixed TVs and VCRs for a living back in the 80s and early 90s) they rated some of the WORST junk quality electronics as "Best Buys" and panned better brands because they were "not a good value" meaning more expensive. It was pretty common to see a "best buy" rated TV with a weak pix tube only a couple years old when better quality TVs pix tube life was 10 year+
 

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Wouldn't that affect all vehicles with the Hemi? They rate the Challenger with the Hemi as one of the most reliable vehicles and is on their recommended list, and the 5th gen is higher rated and has the same engine I think.

One would think. The only place a Ram is less reliable than in CR is on ramforum. Read much here and you'll think these trucks fall apart faster than a drunk's alibi.
 
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