DIY: 2013-2017 RA3/RA4 8.4" Radio Upgrade/HVAC Conversion

[Mpgrimm2]

POST 11:

Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade
Cached Pg 6

http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_-_oem_5_0_radio_8_4_radio_upgrade-66196/index6.html

Cptwing said:

Not just by size but by type as well. The 52 position radio connector on the 2013 and up actually uses 2 different pin types. To find the correct pins you need the manufacture's part data drawing. In addition the connector drawings will list multiple size pins for the connector by wire size, so to match those up you need the pinout diagram from the techauthority website. The two types of pins used are 2.8mm and .64mm, while these pins are available for different wire size gauges, I have listed only the ones used by Fiat on the 2013+ trucks

Here is the Radio connector
Mouser Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor

For some reason the drawing no longer lists the pin part numbers for the 52 position connector, so here they are.

Here is the data sheet for the radio connector
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/418/NG_CD..._C1-672647.pdf

Here are the 2.8mm pins
Mouser Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor

Here are the 0.64mm pins
Mouser Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor


Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade
Cached Pg 7

http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_-_oem_5_0_radio_8_4_radio_upgrade-66196/index7.html

Mpgrimm2 said:

FYI for the other 4 speed fan conversion folks...

Mondo posted this (here or the z) a while back and is a good reference for those of us that have to use the extra Blower Power Harness with the conversion harness.

@cptwing, can you add this to your post 85 link?


Attached Files:

Mondo161 2013-2016 8.4 Blower Mtr & 4Spd ConvHarness Connections - Mpg edits 6-20-16.jpg

Last edited: Jul 6, 2017

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Post 12:

A couple notes on possible crimp tools for those wanting to make their own harness. If anyone else has links/details to affordable ones they used that worked well please let me know and I will update this post...

The link to the crimper cptwing used is/was broken.
It may have been this one by iWiss <--- RECOMMENDED!


From the original backup Cam thread..


The official Amp/TE Connectivity "Pro Crimper III" tool is likely upwards of around $210 at Newark or Mouser.
Manufacturer: TE CONNECTIVITY / AMP
Newark Part No.: 44F8409 (LINK)
Manufacturer Part No 58495-1

Note: A bread bag's Twist Tie with about 3/8" of the coating stripped off, makes a fairly decent pin lock/release tool if you need to pop out pins from the connectors after they have been installed....


Ramtech2319 said: ↑

I need to build a harness where did everyone get the connector ends and pins or I did not see them in the post thx in advance

Mouser Electronics, DigiKey Electronics, Newark Electronics, Allied Electronics, Nexus Electronics (NexElec.com) depending on who you can locate in-stock qty and reasonable minimums.

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Post 13:

MPgrimm2 Harness Notes:

For those of you making your own extended harness, here is a bit of details from mine that may help you...

- Use twisted & soldered connections for splices (blobs can be unreliable)
- Use 1/8” heatshrink over splices vs electrical tape
- (optional) Lightly ‘flow’ solder at all pin crimps for durability and to prevent “pullouts”.

- Some other useful accessories if you do a lot of this stuff:
I use a Weller WES51 soldering iron with ET0 tip, helping hands, Solder Tip Cleaner, Kester 60/40 Solder (or similar),

- Here's a kit of wire with (6) 25ft rolls of 22awg wire with 6 different colors
or (10) 25ft rolls of 22awg wire with 10 different colors (10 Colors to match the schematic)

- Here's Braided sleeving: 25 FT 3/8" Black Expandable Wire Cable Sleeving Sheathing Braided Loom Tubing (main harness)
and 5 FT 1/4" Black Expandable Wire Cable Sleeving Sheathing Braided Loom Tubing (bezel segment)

00R/T's Crimping Notes:

00R/T said: ↑

It's hard to explain how I crimp it, but I'll try.

Strip the wire so the exposed wire is just slightly longer than the wire crimp portion of the terminal.

Set the wire in the terminal so the insulation butts up against the wire crimp portion of the terminal.

Use pliers to press the insulation portion of the terminal (the ears) into the insulation just enough so the terminal will stay in position.

Hold the crimper so the open "mouth" end is facing you.

Place the terminal in the crimper with the open part of the terminal (the fins that fold over) facing the bottom of the crimper.

Align the terminal left-to-right so the insulation side is on the wider part of the crimping die and the wire side is on the narrower side.

Slowly close the crimper and make sure the terminal doesn't rotate.

Close the crimper all the way.

Fix the insulation part of the crimp with pliers if it isn't as round as it should be.

EDIT: On your crimper, the open side of the terminal may go up. You want it facing the part of the die that has the line down the center (like the top of a heart).









Mpgrimm2’s - Some soldering basics to start:

Soldering pt 1
Correct solder splice1.jpg


Soldering pt 2
Correct solder splice2.jpg


Soldering pt 3
Correct solder splice3.jpg


Soldering pt 4
Correct solder splice 4.jpg


Questionable Solder Splice
4spd harness Orig Splice.jpg


Crimped & Soldered Pins (Optional - Unless crimps are questionable)
Crimp & solder pins for Durability.jpg



Last edited: Jul 6, 2017

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Post 14:

More Mpgrimm2 Extended Harness "Braided Sleeving" notes:

NOTE: I used braided nylon sleeving and heatshrink which can be a bit more difficult to work with vs split wire loom.
(i.e. I covered harness with 1/2' nylon sleeve/braiding. Finished with 3/4" & 1/2" heatshrink.)


Bezel Breakout 1.jpg


Bezel Breakout 2.jpg


Bezel Breakout 3.jpg


Bezel Breakout 4.jpg


Bezel Breakout 5.jpg


Bezel Breakout 6.jpg


Bezel Breakout 7.jpg


Other End 1:
Braided Jacket Finishing 1.jpg


Other End 2:
Braided Jacket Finishing 2.jpg


Other End 3:
Braided Jacket Finishing 3.jpg


Other End 4:
Braided Jacket Finishing 4.jpg


Other End 5:
Braided Jacket Finishing 5.jpg


Finished Harness w/Sleeving:
Completed Harness.jpg




Last edited: Jul 6, 2017

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Post 15:

Just a quick note on the bezel ...

There are 2 bezels that will work with the 8.4AN conversion...

- Preferred option 1:
SINGLE ZONE OEM 8.4" (MTC) BEZEL
P/N: 1UJ96DX9AC or 5VD75JXPAA (or AE, AF, etc)



- Workable option 2:
DUAL ZONE OEM 8.4" (ATC) BEZEL
P/N: 1UJ97DX9AC or 5VD73JXPAC (or AE, AF, etc)



Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade

...

Yes the dual auto climate bezels will work, but will function as single zone manual climate control. The ATC bezel has all the same controls/buttons but also has 3 extra buttons that will be non-functional with the basic 8.4 upgrade/HVAC conversion; ie the 2 right side buttons (up/dwn) for the passenger side Temp control (dual zone), and 1 (1/2) button on the center knob for the Auto temperature feature.

Only the driver’s side temp button will function and the auto function will not work. But besides that it will function the same way.


The ATC bezel was verified to work minus the items noted above by Cptwing, Jared4.7, See Here, (and later by Mpgrimm2).

Jan 11, 2016

EDIT:
You can now enable/add Single Zone ATC (still no dual zone!)
- How to Add (ATC) to a Manual Temperature Control Truck

& it's possible to combine both bezels for a Single Zone ATC Bezel, see post 8 of ATC Thread.



EDIT 2:
If you really want to pursue true dual Zone ATC, it's possible but very involved.
Adding dual zone atc to a tradesman.

 

[Mpgrimm2]

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While it's not recommended to install a 13-17 RAx radio in a 2018 or 19 classic it can be done with the correct parts but you 'CURRENTLY' can't get rid of Cellular System needs service error message at startup (unless using a 2018 UAx radio).

Ram 2019 Classic RA2 to RA4 Upgrade.

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[Mpgrimm2]

A heads up about using cheap Chinese clone blower motor/fan resistors....

IMO... You're better off getting a used OEM one vs a new clones version.

.just troubleshoot a similar situation and it turned out that a genuine resistor fixed the issue. Here's video of the issue with clone resistor vs OEM resistor

Clone...

Updated video Link: https://youtu.be/STwZpe4pns4

Vs.

OEM resistor...Updated Video Link: https://youtu.be/2cfE0LAM_Ps

Thanks for posting. The fact that you bought a kit and can't get people to respond back when you have an issue after several days and had to contact me, is well ...


Let's see a picture of the resistor itself ie the face of it... I can tell if it's one of the Chinese clones vs Mopar/denso. I've seen reports from people claiming these work fine and I bet the clone is what you've got.

You don't even have to take it out. Here's a picture of a $100 genuine resistor vs $20 clone. (I've also see a clone resistor that looks nearly identical, and has issues. Probably used the original molds)

OEM...


Clone...


OEM fan resistor values here as a reference...

 

[Mpgrimm2]

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[Mpgrimm2]

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2013 to 2017 8.4 Radio nav unlock & Nav updates

eBay : navi.expert.uk

($104)
2018 MAP FOR UCONNECT[emoji2400] 8.4A OR 8.4AN NAVIGATION SYSTEM (JEEP CHRYSLER - SALES CODES RA3 or RA4).

($198)
Chrysler Uconnect 8.4A (RA3) Activation.

($263)
Unlocking navigation option and 2018 MAP FOR UCONNECT 8.4A OR 8.4AN NAVIGATION SYSTEM (JEEP CHRYSLER - SALES CODES RA3 or RA4).

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Spare post 20. - That should be enough posts for now if anyone wants to comment/add relevant info. ** I will go back and edit the first 15 posts when I get the chance **

Alright. 3.5hrs digging through cached webpages and I'm burnt out.

- Managed to get most of the Cptwing's Info on the conversion for 4 speed fan folks
(But no pictures)

- Absolutely could not locate a cached page of Indaram's Original post for the 7 Speed fan folks.

1500ram12 said: ↑
http://www.ramforum.com/showthread.php?t=64564

DIY 5.0 to 8.4 Navigation upgrade

That original thread is locked and the relevant posts are missing.


- The 4 speed fan instructions by Cptwing at posts 81, 85, 88, 89, & 90 are lost along with the detailed pictures he posted.
I managed to dig them out from Google's cached web pages archive, but without the pictures.

-Indaram's original post 1 from his consolidated info thread detailing the 7 speed conversion was lost (part numbers, links, etc) and the entirety of his thread are gone.
I was able to go through the cached Google pages for relevant posts, but couldn't locate a cached page for Indaram's post 1.

EDIT: Thanks 1500ram12 for the above post!


Last edited: Jan 9, 2016