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[SlowRoller]

I have a hunch that with the new longer 'OEM' OCI's we see in the late-model 4th Gen RAMS that a filter change was required,,,

Not so much because the electric steering unit wont allow an earlier model 4th Gen filter to fit. (They do fit with plenty of room to spare,,,,)

So Why?

Because everything is built to a spec. The same company (Champion) that makes Royal Burla filters makes Mopar filters, 'Champ' filters, and several other 'labels',,, All built to whatever spec is required)

My guess is the 'real' change with the new MOPAR short filters is with the media needed to achieve the longevity and dirt holding capacity to match the longer OCI's,,,

Which,,, would also mean,,, don't run a 'value orientated' 'pre- 10k max OCI' 4th Gen filter on your '10K max OCI truck. (Example: Don't use the same PH2 that you once used for 5k miles on your 09 on your 14 and expect it to last 8-10 k miles. The 'guts' of that PH2 are most likely not gonna meet the specs of a PH10060, even though the 10060 is smaller,,,)

Filters made specifically to run for longer OCI's are most likely safe to run, but don't assume just because it's bigger, it automagically better.

(Royal Burla,,,, Rolls off the tongue real nice,,, I think I like that name better!!!!! LOL!)

 

[SlowRoller]

For you Royal Purple users:

Oil:

Royal Purple suggests adhering to manufacturer’s recommended oil change intervals for vehicles under warranty using its API-licensed SAE engine oils. With many newer vehicles, the OEM recommended interval is typically between 4,000 and 7,500 miles. Check the owner’s manual of the vehicle for more detail.

For vehicles for which strict OEM warranty compliance is not a concern drain intervals may be extended to 12,000 miles (20,000 km) or 12 months, whichever occurs first with Royal Purple API-licensed synthetic engine oils and up to 15,000 miles (24,000 km) or 12 months, whichever comes first with Royal Purple HMX, HPS, and XPR engine oils. The extended drain intervals apply to primarily street-driven, mechanically sound vehicles. If switching to a Royal Purple synthetic engine oil from a conventional oil, please contact the Royal Purple Automotive Technical Department for guidelines specific to your vehicle

Filters:

Gasoline engines:

If used with Royal Purple API-licensed synthetic motor oils, we recommend up to 12,000 miles (20,000 km) or 12 months, whichever comes first. If used with Royal Purple HMX, HPS, or XPR synthetic engine oils, we recommend up to 15,000 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first.


Amsoil will tell you the same thing, 'one year', but I believe they were as high as 25000 miles on their oil at one time.

OCI's / OFCI's include more than just what's seen in an analysis. Time restrictions have to do with other aspects of oil used in an internal combustion engine, including acids formed during combustion.

The 'one year' limit is what killed my 'Amsoil extended oil change' experiment years ago,,, Never could drive the 25,000 miles that it took to see any 'savings'... Been using regular or semi syn oils (manufacturers recommended API or higher) and 'middle of the road' filters ever since then. (I follow the manufacturers recommended change intervals or slightly 'sooner').

 

[Burla]

Of course Royal Purple "recommends" to follow manufacturer. But I tested it myself at 14 months, still solid. My information comes down slowly, years at a time, but in 3 years I will have even a better run on my RP filter. That will be my first 2 year OCI on the filter. And I feel totally comfortable doing that after my 14 month test. It isn't paper but micro glass, it wont fail but can clog which is why you can't leave it on forever. After 14 months, no clogging. Just bought 3 RP filter off Amazon because they cancelled my case order, should last me 5 years for 11 bucks a pop.

 

[SlowRoller]

I'm comfortable if you're comfortable!

if you read a bit closer, it recommends to follow the MF intervals if your warranty is a concern.

IF NOT, your drain intervals may be extended to 12,000 miles (20,000 km) or 12 months, whichever occurs first with Royal Purple API-licensed synthetic engine oils and up to 15,000 miles (24,000 km) or 12 months, whichever comes first with Royal Purple HMX, HPS, and XPR engine oils.

Hey, if you want to leave your oil/ filter combo in/on your vehicle longer than RP, Mopar, or even Amsoil recommend, that's your decision and I wish you well,,,

But,,, in the interest of full disclosure to other folks who read these posts, it's only fair to indicate that what you are doing, warranty or not, is contrary to what the manufactures of the products you are using instruct you to do.

Again,,, Do as you please,,, Wish you well,,,, but please,,,,,,, Let others know that what you are doing does not have the support nor the recommendation from the manufacturer of the product(s) you are using.

IMHO, it's only fair.

 

[EagleChief]

I wish I could go 2 years and only put 12k miles on my truck! Must be nice. I've had our truck for a little over 6 months and I'm almost at 11k miles. Getting ready to do my 2nd oil change at the dealer. Did the first change at roughly 5k miles.

 

[Burla]

But,,, in the interest of full disclosure to other folks who read these posts, it's only fair to indicate that what you are doing, warranty or not, is contrary to what the manufactures of the products you are using instruct you to do.

Again,,, Do as you please,,, Wish you well,,,, but please,,,,,,, Let others know that what you are doing does not have the support nor the recommendation from the manufacturer of the product(s) you are using.

IMHO, it's only fair.

I don't need to because you just did.

 

[Etroze86]

It really comes down to a few simple things.
3k OCI use paper filter-use paper save money
Manufactures OCI- easy again use a synthetic media filter few bucks more on a filter isn't going to kill anyone but spend a few less could kill an engine.
Anything over no matter what you run get oil tested and use a damn good filter like RP, Amsoil EA, or K&N (if still made by Champion Labs)
Oh and when you live in extreme weather climates like I do even on Manufactures OCI's I would still get your oil tested.

 

[QwikKota]

5k is the new 3k on oil changes with improvements in lubricants and filter construction. 10k on dino oil like the manual says is a bit loco in my opinion.

 

[SlowRoller]

I don't need to because you just did.

It was rather obvious you didn't (still don't) see anything ~wrong~ with 2 yr oil change intervals,,,

You remind me of old Wylie,, He never really saw anything ~wrong~ with it either,,,

http://www.adonisthemovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DRUS04-28-10-2.jpg

 

[Burla]

It was rather obvious you didn't (still don't) see anything ~wrong~ with 2 yr oil change intervals,,,

2 years and ten thousand miles, no I don't. That is playing it safe, you can probably go 3 years 15k on top tier oil and Royal Purple filters. What miles would be ok to run 2 years? How about 50 miles, if you ran 50 miles and had your oil in would you change it? Dude, I've done all the tests, I've cut open a 14 months oil filter, I've done the UOA and at a year Redline oil has more TBN then new conventional oil, visc normal, no fuel in the oil. Tell me what exactly happens at the one year mark that sends oil into abyss? Is it exactly a year, or a year and a month and three days 4 hours and ten minutes? When does ester based oil loose it's viability and why? You seam to want to make a point, do you have anything based on science about your point of view? I would be my house that when I do a two year UOA my oil will look almost as good as new, only TBN will be around 3 and there will be some wear metals as all Hemi's have.