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Hey Guys. Had to reset my account here so it looks like this is my first post!

Did my due diligence and did a search before creating a redundant thread asking same things. I'm ready to replace an old Craftsman jack that I bought back when Sears was still alive! Right now I am torn between the Harbor Freight Daytona or the Pro-Eagle Abrams. Both 3 ton floor jacks, but the Abrams has big wheels meant for uneven or off road use. Both fit my other measure under 5 inches in order to get under my Lexus RCF. Oh, and Pro-Eagle gave me a killer discount code too!

Any pros or cons on either of these? Thanks !
 

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Harbour Freight is predominantly Chinese made, lower quality, lower price stuff, designed for occasional use. Buying a hammer from them is one thing, buying something that has safety implications, whole other ball of twine.

Your Craftsman lasted you over 20 years, I have never seen one actually wear out and they are fully rebuildable. Most Harbour Freight stuff isn't. I know nothing about Pro-Eagle so can't help there.
 

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This is a long-post. But Hopefully USEFUL.

Since I got out of my ‘teens and twenties…..and I was able to afford someone ELSE to change my tires…and since Discount Tire became prolific….. I rarely needed a jack. I always Had a hyd-jack in the garage for working-purposes…and kept a bottle-jack on the truck because of that stupid/cheap stamped-steel toy the OEM put there….. but I didn’t actually start wanting a real floor jack until I was 40 or so.

Then I bought one of those foot-long 2-ton little Red floor-jacks which I kept in the toolbox…”just in case”. (HF calls them a “trolley” jack and sells them for less than $50.) :puke:

One day while at the airport, a Friend…not me…. needed to jack his truck and I volunteered my little Red jack. What had-happend was, he had backed his truck over a bolted-down hangar-door anchor…. such that his rear axle was on one-side of that 15”-tall anchor….and the rest of the truck was on the other side of the anchor. (It was one of those heavy-duty, roll-up fabric hangar doors you see “up nawth” in snow-country…but the Texan builder/owner of this hangar thought he would save money instead of using a real, wind-proof/rated door. Those anchors would hold the fabric down-tight…but were supposed to be removed when the door was raised. My buddy didn’t see it when he backed his truck over it.)

He was stranded…. not actually “fulcrum-ed” on the anchor…the truck could roll back or forth….but he couldn’t Drive-Away!
So, we used my little Red jack to jack his rear axle up a few inches to clear the top of the anchor so we could Push the truck forward …past the anchor… planning to let the truck back Down….so he could drive-away.

It didn’t work that way.
We placed the jack under the left rear-axle tube and It jacked the 1/2 ton truck UP just fine. But when we got behind the truck to roll the truck past the anchor….(we had the little steel wheels of the jack pointed the correct directlon…. Forward…)… the truck began to “roll” toward the right-side…the little Red jack began to “slant” to the right…..just for a moment….
Then the little Red jack became a Mashed-and-Twisted Little Pile of Red jack-parts…..as it was never designed to be a Real jack. It became Junk!

The only success was that the truck had moved Just Enough….for the rear axle tube to clear that anchor. But little Red jack …or what is left of it…is in a box stored over in the junk-corner of my hangar…just in-case I ever have use for the little steel wheels. or handle. or whatever is left of that smashed little contraption.

I then REPLACED that little Red 2-ton jack with another …to carry in my truck.
Then, one-day, driving the 5-hour weekly trip from my workplace at DFW airport to my home on the ranch “down souf” …. still dressed in coat-and-tie…enjoying the steady rain we certainly needed….. the right front tire went flat. Grrr. Not a Discount Tire in-sight.
So I pulled over into a big-truck-station parking lot (Loves?) …and proceeded to try to jack the R-front tire up in the rain. The only saving-grace was my clothes were “Issued Uniform” by my employer. (Still gonna cost me dry-cleaning money tho’)

However, that little Red jack …despite being fully-collapsed….could NOT collapse sufficien tly to get beneath the lower control-arm so-as to raise the wheel. There I am in the rain…dressed totally unsuited for the task…on my knees in the gravel…making every attempted angle I could imagine attempting to jam that little Red jack Somewhere…Anywhere… it could fit to get that wheel off -the-ground.
If I got it beneath the cross-member the little Red jack didn’t have sufficient “extension” to raise the flat tire high-enough to get it completely OFF the ground….because the lower control arm would extend-lower as the truck was raised… OR high-enough to get an INflated Spare tire ONto the hub.
WHAT A PIECE OF JUNK that little Red jack suddenly became.

I ended up having to use TWO JACKS…. little Red jack beneath the crossmember to get the lower CONTROL ARM up off the ground far-enough to use the OEM cheap, stamped-steel screw-jack under the control-arm ..to get the HUB high enough to install a Spare Tire! Grrrr.!

The Point of this missive is to advise you Not to buy a cheap little 2-ton HF jack if you really want a Floor Jack you can Depend Upon. It won’t collapse Flat-Enough to get a front truck axle off the ground….AND won’t raise HIGH enough to install a fresh tire onto the HUB!
AND…it isn’t STURDY enough to be reliable as a jack to actually HOLD the vehicle up off the ground. It will FALL SIDEWAYS if any movement. of the vehicle occurs.

Go ahead and spend a couple Ben Franklins or more on a truly worthy floorjack. One that will collapse FLAT, Less than 4”…. and will Lift HIGH enough, More than 19” …. if you intend to use it on a front axle of a vehicle.
(Don’t fall for the off-road floorjacks without realizing they, due to their undercarriage-wheels, don’t collapse as far as ordinary types. Carry a sq-ft of plywood in the truck if you think you’ll need to suport a floorjack in the dirt.)

I now own 4 floorjacks. All of them are HF models 3-ton or more that retail for $250 or more. I use 3 of them in the hangar/shop area where they live.
The fourth is a 3-ton mostly-aluminum (to save weight) floorjack ….which is still in its box (hopefully never to be used) and lives in the bed of my truck, out of sight, beneath the tonneau cover. it will collapse Very Low…but jack the truck Up at least 19 inches to clear large wheels..

Hope this helps.
"A couple of Ben Franklins"?
I have 2 of the Hein Werner 3 ton floor jacks. New, it was north of $700.00
I had the twinky-dink floor jack(s) from Sam's way back when I had hair. Those things collapsed when any side forces were put on them, in a few years, they would bleed down (Danger!).

The HW's will take side or angled forces and never even sigh, and WILL get low enough to get under the control arms in most cases, and lift plenty high. They're expensive, but I am a professional.
In addition, I use the Gray Tool Co. out of St. Joseph, MO. brand of jack stands. That pair alone set me back nearly $400.00.

All this is to get to the question: "What's your life worth"?
 

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I still have the jack that came with my vehicles. If I need to change a tire while on the road, wel, I carry a cell phone and the Auto club is only 10 digits away or is it 11 ..........
 

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I still have the jack that came with my vehicles. If I need to change a tire while on the road, wel, I carry a cell phone and the Auto club is only 10 digits away or is it 11 ..........

I wish I had the patience to wait and the tolerance to trust anyone else, but I don't.
I prefer the autonomous approach. At least I know it will get done right and not fall off. :cool:

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I remember when we had real bumpers and trusty bumper jacks.
YUP, but I's poor person, never had any fancy winders, AC, ne thing? Heck I had an 8 track player wired in just laying on tranny hump between seats, lmao.
 

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I remember when we had real bumpers and trusty bumper jacks.
Bumper jacks were NEVER trusty. They were extremely dangerous, which is a big reason they are no longer used.
Scissors jacks are/were nearly as dangerous. In both cases, a sudden flip out of the jack was a high probability, unless one had the means to insure perfect plumb.

I've had my share of cars suddenly hitting the ground when the mentioned jacks decided to compete for Olympic gold in the gymnastic "flip" routine.

Physics.... damn the physics!:33:
 

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Bumper jacks were NEVER trusty. They were extremely dangerous, which is a big reason they are no longer used.
Scissors jacks are/were nearly as dangerous. In both cases, a sudden flip out of the jack was a high probability, unless one had the means to insure perfect plumb.

I've had my share of cars suddenly hitting the ground when the mentioned jacks decided to compete for Olympic gold in the gymnastic "flip" routine.

Physics.... damn the physics!:33:
The ole bumper jacks with the Big U plate or the ones that went into the slot in the bumper. Always fun.
 

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Bumper jacks were NEVER trusty. They were extremely dangerous, which is a big reason they are no longer used.
Scissors jacks are/were nearly as dangerous. In both cases, a sudden flip out of the jack was a high probability, unless one had the means to insure perfect plumb.

I've had my share of cars suddenly hitting the ground when the mentioned jacks decided to compete for Olympic gold in the gymnastic "flip" routine.

Physics.... damn the physics!:33:
Sherm, I never had an issue. IMHO, they were far safer than anything supplied by auto mfgs today.
 

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Sherm, I never had an issue. IMHO, they were far safer than anything supplied by auto mfgs today.

How many times did you use one of those trusty jacks that embedded themselves in the bumper slots? They were awesome when they stayed attached, and so easy to raise the vehicle.

In my youth, I recall many occasions where they would suddenly 'let go' of the bumper, dropping the car to the ground or upon unexpected feet. And now and again, that sudden release would cause parts of the jack to become a projectile.

We were used to it, letting go or launching itself, no big deal. Just grab the jack parts, reassemble, and crank it up again. LOL

One of those youthful experiences that I'm happy to look back upon, realizing the physics a bit later in life, and knowing how lucky we were to have not damaged a body part, perhaps permanently. :cool:

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How many times did you use one of those trusty jacks that embedded themselves in the bumper slots? They were awesome when they stayed attached, and so easy to raise the vehicle.

In my youth, I recall many occasions where they would suddenly 'let go' of the bumper, dropping the car to the ground or upon unexpected feet. And now and again, that sudden release would cause parts of the jack to become a projectile.

We were used to it, letting go or launching itself, no big deal. Just grab the jack parts, reassemble, and crank it up again. LOL

One of those youthful experiences that I'm happy to look back upon, realizing the physics a bit later in life, and knowing how lucky we were to have not damaged a body part, perhaps permanently. :cool:

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How many times did you experience "terminal failure" of the ratcheting pawl at the top of the travel after the tire was changed, only to have to "drive" the car off of said malfunctioned jack!? I did about 5-6 times. It WAS sort of satisfying to see how far the jack got launched! ;). But those Eddie Haskel days ARE gone!
 

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I like the "big wheel" off road floor jacks. However many vehicles that they will clear easily when checked in the shop, won't even start to clear with a flat tire. I try to keep a couple of pieces of 2x10 in the bed for those situations.
 

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How many times did you experience "terminal failure" of the ratcheting pawl at the top of the travel after the tire was changed, only to have to "drive" the car off of said malfunctioned jack!? I did about 5-6 times. It WAS sort of satisfying to see how far the jack got launched! ;). But those Eddie Haskel days ARE gone!

I don't recall having experienced a terminal pawl failure, but I do remember they would often get misaligned and fail to move. IIRC, we used to fiddle with the direction switch and perform partial cranks, back and forth, and eventually it would function adequately.

I don't recall ever driving away from a raised jack, but I do have vivid memories of pushing the cars away from the jack to get them down. Maybe they did jamb, and that was our brainiac solution.

Most of my earlier experience with those jacks came from changing wheels or brake jobs, with a few flats here and there.


IIRC, a 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass, my first V8, had a similar jacking system. Not the bumper-slot type, but the jack cradled the edge of the old-style and invincible steel bumper. That was so long ago, it hurts my brain to remember. :cool:


1978 Cutlass.jpg


This wasn't my car, but an online picture that looks similar.
Mine was bought pre-enjoyed, and I often referred to it as the Bondo Mobile. :cool:

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I wish I had the patience to wait and the tolerance to trust anyone else, but I don't.
I prefer the autonomous approach. At least I know it will get done right and not fall off. :cool:

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Well, I use the old adage, "trust but verify" ...... I always carry a Snapon Torque wrench with me while travelling. Heading to Ottawa on or about March 4, taking my torque wrench with me. :)
 

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Well, I use the old adage, "trust but verify" ...... I always carry a Snapon Torque wrench with me while travelling. Heading to Ottawa on or about March 4, taking my torque wrench with me. :)

That sounds like a good plan. And I'm confident that you have changed your fair share of flats.

You know where I live, and the road service wait times out here suck. I recall receiving a call from a friend on CR43 at Sommerville Road, just immediately West of Kville, a few years back. I went out to check out her Subaru that had suffered a thermal runaway/boil-over.

It was still under warranty, and she had a long drive home, so I suggested she have it towed. I think she waited for 3.5 hours for CAA on a sunny, clear day. Not for me. :cool:

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That sounds like a good plan. And I'm confident that you have changed your fair share of flats.

You know where I live, and the road service wait times out here suck. I recall receiving a call from a friend on CR43 at Sommerville Road, just immediately West of Kville, a few years back. I went out to check out her Subaru that had suffered a thermal runaway/boil-over.

It was still under warranty, and she had a long drive home, so I suggested she have it towed. I think she waited for 3.5 hours for CAA on a sunny, clear day. Not for me. :cool:

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That is a long wait for sure. The longest that I have waited up here has been about an hour. It wasn't a bad day and I needed a walk. I think I know exactly the place that you are referring to.
Do you remember an old store on 43 about 2 - 3 miles west of Kville, it was on the north side of the road.
Changing a tire by my self is something that I'd do if it was a clear summer day without a cloud in the sky otherwise it is CAA. Oh, yes, I've done my fair share of tires. I used to run the wrecker for the GM dealer "back in the day" so I saw a lot of interesting things along the way.
 

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