Gas finally going down

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Gas around me is finally going down. Went down $0.15. I hope it continues :)

Paying $4.49 for Premium in both vehicles.
 

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whelp, fill up today Dorothy going byby. USA shut down the straight, expect increases. No politics, just the facts on this one, no reason to go deep into this, the cause of high pricing is coming back and then some.
 

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its funny because gasoline in Saudi Arabia is only .62/ per liter.

I realize SA is an oil producing nation, but, isn't America one as well? Why isn't SA's prices governed by the world commodity market like every one else?

just thinking out loud.
Ever since 2020 and what happened then (and obviously continuing today) we fail to realize that historically "big gas" only makes a 6% margin, even now and inflation it still hasnt increased that much like 10% and 8% for the top two. So bottom line these are public companies they cant operate at a loss, if we want to have gas, we need them, and 6% for what they do is nothing. I cant answer your question specifically, only suggest their are way more profitable companies then big gas, like they aren't even in top twenty or thirty industries unless you jump on and off the ship at the right time.

To give accurate info it has changed a bit, see margins here. Net margin is what matters obviously, oil companies put out a lot of dollars for every dollar they make. The first number you see is 4, as in 4 firms = big gas, I can only guess that is Shell, Chevron, Exxon, and ConocoPhillips, and as you see it is a 8% margin for 2025. For every hundred dollars they spend, they make 8 bucks.

Oil/Gas (Integrated)436.08%8.30%11.56%11.25%8.07%11.57%8.30%11.58%8.31%21.67%30.25%21.92%63.92%0.25%8.58%0.31%0.97%
Oil/Gas (Production and Exploration)14257.19%14.63%26.32%25.42%23.72%25.82%24.10%25.75%24.03%43.21%48.39%43.43%42.81%0.22%5.18%0.90%2.85%
Oil/Gas Distribution2343.37%13.35%26.56%25.78%23.42%26.06%23.67%26.05%23.67%32.74%39.62%32.75%56.63%0.01%6.88%0.78%1.23%
Oilfield Svcs/Equip.9711.09%2.34%
 
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The United States is the world's largest oil producer, a position it has held for several years, producing over 13 million barrels per day (mb/d) in 2025. Following the US, Russia and Saudi Arabia are the second and third largest producers, respectively. Together, these three countries responsible for nearly 40% of global oil production in 2025.

Top 10 Oil Producers (Based on 2025/2026 Data):
  • 1. United States: ~13.58 mb/d
  • 2. Russia: ~9.87 mb/d
  • 3. Saudi Arabia: ~9.51 mb/d
  • 4. Canada:
    ~4.94 mb/d
    • 5. Iraq: ~4.39 mb/d
    • 6. China: ~4.34 mb/d
    • 7. Iran: ~4.19 mb/d
    • 8. United Arab Emirates (UAE): ~3.82 mb/d
    • 9. Kuwait: ~2.58 mb/d
    • 10. Brazil: ~2.5+ mb/d (varied estimates, often rounded)
 

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Just read that prices could stay like this until November, sigh.
We are not close to that 2008 price, not close to 2022 price yet, who knows. The difference is once the crisis is over conditions are such that prices will drop like a rock. Just prior to this crisis prices were lower then the last 4 years. It would take two weeks to show up in the market. But this is a volatile business, it has potential to be the worst gas crisis since 1972, still remember that one. My guess they would nationalize the supply to prevent that. I just paid 5.69 yesterday and that was at budget Costco, so some people use gas to fund whatever they are funding these days, more fraud then policies around here anyway.
 
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I just paid 5.69 yesterday and that was at budget Costco, so some people use gas to fund whatever they are funding these days, more fraud then policies around here anyway.
Wow. I just paid $3.99 per gallon for Premium at Costco. Closer to my house is a Kwik Star (same as Kwik Trip), and their premium was $4.79, so I thought $3.99 wasn't too bad. Your comment here really makes me feel better.
 

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I am between San Rafael and Napa, as you can see I'm grateful to have costo 5.69 compared to the average price here.

  • Highest Areas: San Rafael ($6.11), San Francisco ($6.09), Napa ($6.07).
 

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Ever since 2020 and what happened then (and obviously continuing today) we fail to realize that historically "big gas" only makes a 6% margin, even now and inflation it still hasnt increased that much like 10% and 8% for the top two. So bottom line these are public companies they cant operate at a loss, if we want to have gas, we need them, and 6% for what they do is nothing. I cant answer your question specifically, only suggest their are way more profitable companies then big gas, like they aren't even in top twenty or thirty industries unless you jump on and off the ship at the right time.

To give accurate info it has changed a bit, see margins here. Net margin is what matters obviously, oil companies put out a lot of dollars for every dollar they make. The first number you see is 4, as in 4 firms = big gas, I can only guess that is Shell, Chevron, Exxon, and ConocoPhillips, and as you see it is a 8% margin for 2025. For every hundred dollars they spend, they make 8 bucks.

Oil/Gas (Integrated)436.08%8.30%11.56%11.25%8.07%11.57%8.30%11.58%8.31%21.67%30.25%21.92%63.92%0.25%8.58%0.31%0.97%
Oil/Gas (Production and Exploration)14257.19%14.63%26.32%25.42%23.72%25.82%24.10%25.75%24.03%43.21%48.39%43.43%42.81%0.22%5.18%0.90%2.85%
Oil/Gas Distribution2343.37%13.35%26.56%25.78%23.42%26.06%23.67%26.05%23.67%32.74%39.62%32.75%56.63%0.01%6.88%0.78%1.23%
Oilfield Svcs/Equip.9711.09%2.34%
im not blaming oil companies, actually i'm blaming everyone after them involved with oil. too many hands in the pot.
 

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whelp, fill up today Dorothy going byby. USA shut down the straight, expect increases. No politics, just the facts on this one, no reason to go deep into this, the cause of high pricing is coming back and then some.

Along those lines...NOT politics.

Have read, fuel from Saudi, Qatar...everyone but Iran, will be allowed to pass through the Straits of Hormuz.

We'll see what happens in the next few days.

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Locally gas down $0.12 since Thursday - ceasefire announced. Still $1.55 over a few months back.
 

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I don't know about that, why would Saudi do that they have coast to coast pipeline and they can use other water way. I think Iranian and 4-5 countries oil cant make it. I think the issue was them shipping their own oil out using countries friendly. If it was just about gas prices our govt would allow tolls, I think it is more then that for them. Just a tad politics to explain the price anyhow. I think there are moves we can make with oil supply but my guess they are just waiting a month or so.

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The United States is the world's largest oil producer, a position it has held for several years, producing over 13 million barrels per day (mb/d) in 2025.
I've read that, and I simply don't understand why we have to pay so much for fuel. It seems to me that if our country is rich in oil, then so should the people, the country's owners. Why can't we sell our oil to our refineries at the cost of harvesting the oil? If anyone understands oil pricing, please share. I've wondered about pricing like forever.
 

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I think it's curious how someone farts, and the price jumps 20 cents instantly, but takes forever to come down when oil prices drop.

Pure greed.

I think it's an innate human quality. If ANY of us sat on the board of one of those 'greedy' oil companies, we'd be doing the exact same thing...............
 

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I've read that, and I simply don't understand why we have to pay so much for fuel. It seems to me that if our country is rich in oil, then so should the people, the country's owners. Why can't we sell our oil to our refineries at the cost of harvesting the oil? If anyone understands oil pricing, please share. I've wondered about pricing like forever.
Capitalism. Great concept.

Utilities... Naw. Not going down that rabbit hole.

Another thought. Who owns the minerals, oil...Rights.
- Seems every property I've purchased, includes no "mineral rights".
- Many properties are advertised as having, "water rights".
 
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