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I have been watching this thread and it went sour quick. But they mentioned.
something quite intriguing. Gas vs Diesel thread...
I have owned a 6.0 PSD and a 4.7 ram, and hands down, i would not ever go back to diesel...

Anywho NO ARGUING!!

What are pros and cons? GO!
 

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Perfect pros and cons. Why guys have one over the other, etc.
 
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I had a 6.0, and it seemed like i was doing more maintenance with in a 1y period than any other car/truck i have ever had. More filters than my fricken house...
 

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I think diesel is great for towing and just the ultimate work horse but for most people gas can do all they need with less upkeep and better cold weather starting. If you have money and can afford a diesel by all means they rock.
 

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Diesels may last longer but seems the extra cost of maintenance isn't worth it unless you do a lot of heavy towing then it makes sense to me to own one. Personally I would like to have a diesel someday
 

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I have had a few diesels over the years and plenty of gas trucks and really its what you want and how you are going to use it.
One plus is better mileage with a diesel over gas wether towing or not and they tow large heavy loads easy.
Bad fuel cost more, fuel fitler oil filter and oil cost more and they cost more to buy to start with.
I will be selling my Cummins and will go back to gas this spring for a few reason, one I dont pull anything very heavy anymore, live real close to work so it hardly gets to temp by the time I get there and I want a new truck and the added price for a diesel is too high if I am not going to be pulling anything heavy.
One thing I will miss is all the power and torque this thing has.
 

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Low end torque which is great for towing. Resale value is better from what I've seen. You can get the mpg up by getting it a tuner and fuel is cheaper than gas in Alaska.

I think ultimately I'll end up owning both and leaving the diesel strictly as my tow vehicle. Keep it for a very long time and whatnot. With that in mind I'd be willing to buy used because they are pretty spendy brand new.
 
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Diesels may last longer but seems the extra cost of maintenance isn't worth it unless you do a lot of heavy towing then it makes sense to me to own one. Personally I would like to have a diesel someday

I always wanted a diesel, and i had my opertunity when i got that 6.0 for a goo deal 11k no real issues. 20k miles later i was going todo all of the bullet proof **** so i traded it for my current rams. I miss the truck, but no regreats. It was my bomb around town truck and diesels are defiantly not for that... When im fat and old i may get a new one when the work out all of the emissions kinks....
 

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*this is based on my life experiences, in FL, AL, and VA spread across 11 trucks. All "normal" elevations. If you live above the clouds, you might have different views.*

Diesel pros:

Minimal power loss at high altitude

Small, ultra tq power band for getting up to and holding speed regardless of load.

Easy power gains with a tuner.

More "bang for the buck" when you consider a tuner vs a bolt on gas truck.

Sounds ****.

Driving anything with 30+ psi is fun.

Supports the weight and resistance of a lift WAY better.


Diesel cons:

Expensive to buy.

Expensive to upkeep under normal maintenance compared to gas.

If something really goes wrong with motor, thousands of dollars.

Not as many mechanics around to work on them (my experience, might not be true in all areas)

If you want to go "fast", can get pretty pricey.

Hard on tires because of weigh of truck.

Harder on suspension parts, although stronger than half ton parts. Maybe not a con, depends on what you got.


Gas pros:

Cheaper to buy.

Cheaper to repair.

High revving powerband.

Forced induction can make the truck pretty quick. Faster than 90% or more of diesels (in most normal cases)


Gas cons:

Can't tow heavy loads as well due to higher rpm Power band

With simple bolt ons, exhaust and tune, won't be as fast as a tuned diesel, maybe slower than stock newer diesel, and not as fun.

Requires 5-10k in mods to really be fast, as where a diesel can reach a similar level with about half the cost.

Can't support the resistance of a lift very well, has to be regeared. And even then, if you don't have a decent amount of power, it still sucks. (Compared to a diesel)


That being said, it depends on where you live and what you want.

This is my opinion:

Gas is less stuff to worry about. Cheaper when it goes bad. Blower is expensive but more fun than a diesel and will most likely blow the doors off any other truck you mess with. Potential to go a lot faster than diesel

Diesel is cool, but lots of headaches and fear of high end repair bills. Tuned diesel is a blast to drive, can beat up on most the basic bolt on gas trucks, has power all the time all over the rpm range.

Just depends on what you want. Lots of variables too. I'm not sure there's a definitive answer.
 
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I had a 6.0, and it seemed like i was doing more maintenance with in a 1y period than any other car/truck i have ever had. More filters than my fricken house...

Did you ever have to lift the cab? :roflsquared: like silversurfer said in some areas not many places want or are capable of doing headgaskets on an f350.

And did somebody say egr cooler delete :naughty:
 
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Did you ever have to lift the cab? :roflsquared: like silversurfer said in some areas not many places want or are capable of doing headgaskets on an f350.

And did somebody say egr cooler delete :naughty:

Well my oiler cooler was failing so i was going to replace that. So when you do an oil cooler you do the EGR cooler, (cant delete, california). While you are down in the valley (they call it the valley, because it takes 4-6 shop hours just to get down where that is. Turbo comes out, pretty much the entire top of the engine) . You might aswell do dummy plugs, HPOP(high presure oil pump) SCT fittings, recon the turbo, and clean the injectors, but then you are $3500 in and 1/2 bulletproofed, So while your that far, might aswell do the entire ******* job, which a shop quoted me 9k, and i couldnt fathom spending 9k on just a bullet proofed upper end of the engine. The lower end of the engine still has issues, they dont fix the valve train which also fails on that truck, let alone rest of the truck. It was 4x4 so had the solid front axle, and it needed to be repaired. So i was looking about 11k in repairs and ****, so i traded it in before it swamped me fanacially and got my current ram for 26k. The kicker is, i traded my truck in for 12.5 and bought it for 11, HAHA:roflsquared:

Over Beutiful truck thing whisled like no other, I swapped the turbo with an 03. If i had money i would have tricked it out, but im 20 and only make 27k a year, couldnt afford to drop that much into it...

I felt like i was dropping 3-600 a month on maintance ****. Needed a upgraded fuel pressure regulators, my ******* glow plugs one would burn out a month, the modual went out. Had to install a Coolant filter, $160 oil changes.

****, with my current truck, other than mods. 130 in total maintenance. In mods im prolly 2.5k into my current truck with my new mirrors, lift ( not tires), grill guard, lights, airbags, anything in my description haha
 
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I love my 3.0 diesel!

This is my first time posting on a forum. Did I do this correctly? I had a 98 Ram 3.6 six banger gas. It could barely make it up grades at 65 mph. It got 16mpg and was loud, the steering loose at 200k and I finally had enough. I bought the 2015 3.0 liter diesel Ram 1500. The high torque keeps the speed up on hills. The mpg gauge after 500 miles is reading 29mpg average combined! Before I drove around the city, the highway mpg was 32. My range is over 700 miles on a tank. Yes, my accelerator foot is light as a feather and I don't go over 63mph usually. I have floored it once after being warmed to help break it in. I will do that once every couple hundred miles. I used Power Service fuel additive which increases the Cetane rating. I found DEF at Walmart for half the cost. I am wondering if there is any other way to be thrifty on that stuff. I have heard parts are hard to get so I am already buying my Rotella synthetic T6 5-40 although Ram says to use 5-30 but in Texas summers, I want the higher number. Buying the oil 3 gallons at a time saves bucks too. I got the oil filter for 16 bucks instead of the Mopar at over $40. I use GasBuddy.com to find the lowest diesel price., $1.45 in north Arlington, 20 cents cheaper than the south side of town. I keep my tires at 44 lbs, maxed. I bought a Spectre air filter because it is supposedly as good as the K&N and just 30 bucks through Amazon.com . I have thought about drilling holes in the plastic housing. I saw some "smart guys" on another forum blast some guy for doing that, but why does an open one have better flow than a closed on? DUH!!! I ordered a Smitty tri fold tonneau cover. FYI, 6061 aluminum is much stronger than 6063 which Tonno uses. This should help highway mpg as well.

I noticed something about a tuner. I have no idea what that does. Can someone help me with some information? Any other ideas for this great vehicle? My last new vehicle was a 2007 BMW X3. This truck is much better! If you are thinking about buying this truck, I strongly recommend it!
 

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Both have pro's and con's...............unfortunately for you, you couldn't have picked a worse option for a diesel, especially being your first. The Navistar 6.0 had nothing but issues............probably one of the worst of any current "modern diesel". Don't let that POS ruin diesels for you.
 

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My 2 cents worth on the subject...matches other people's opinion

Do I tow anything that needs the torque of the diesel......NO
Do I want to spend ~4-10k more for a diesel.....NO
Do I want to spend about 40 cents more a gallon for fuel.....NO
Do I want the increased maintenance costs.....NO
Do I want to listen to the noise of a diesel.....NO
Will I recoup the cost of the Diesel within life expectancy of truck.....NO

Was a pretty simple choice for me to get the Hemi.....
 
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This is my first time posting on a forum. Did I do this correctly? I had a 98 Ram 3.6 six banger gas. It could barely make it up grades at 65 mph. It got 16mpg and was loud, the steering loose at 200k and I finally had enough. I bought the 2015 3.0 liter diesel Ram 1500. The high torque keeps the speed up on hills. The mpg gauge after 500 miles is reading 29mpg average combined! Before I drove around the city, the highway mpg was 32. My range is over 700 miles on a tank. Yes, my accelerator foot is light as a feather and I don't go over 63mph usually. I have floored it once after being warmed to help break it in. I will do that once every couple hundred miles. I used Power Service fuel additive which increases the Cetane rating. I found DEF at Walmart for half the cost. I am wondering if there is any other way to be thrifty on that stuff. I have heard parts are hard to get so I am already buying my Rotella synthetic T6 5-40 although Ram says to use 5-30 but in Texas summers, I want the higher number. Buying the oil 3 gallons at a time saves bucks too. I got the oil filter for 16 bucks instead of the Mopar at over $40. I use GasBuddy.com to find the lowest diesel price., $1.45 in north Arlington, 20 cents cheaper than the south side of town. I keep my tires at 44 lbs, maxed. I bought a Spectre air filter because it is supposedly as good as the K&N and just 30 bucks through Amazon.com . I have thought about drilling holes in the plastic housing. I saw some "smart guys" on another forum blast some guy for doing that, but why does an open one have better flow than a closed on? DUH!!! I ordered a Smitty tri fold tonneau cover. FYI, 6061 aluminum is much stronger than 6063 which Tonno uses. This should help highway mpg as well.

I noticed something about a tuner. I have no idea what that does. Can someone help me with some information? Any other ideas for this great vehicle? My last new vehicle was a 2007 BMW X3. This truck is much better! If you are thinking about buying this truck, I strongly recommend it!

Yeah your doin it right! Welcome man!! You can always do a "quick reply too" so you dont need a title and stuff. But your good man.

For your truck, its a pretty good engine from what i hear. It is a diesel, and they do have kinks, so i wouldnt start modding anything in the engine just yet. No intakes, tunners, ext. I personally wouldnt tune it, the ED is a light duty diesel and is supposed to pull a nice amount and have enough power to move you around and what not, pull what you throw at it. That being said, try to squeeze more power out of it, will cause damage, not a matter of if, its a matter of when. And if you really needed that much power for pulling stuff, should have got a Cummins.

As far as your intake, Spectre has good DIY hoses and clamps, and adapter tubes, or a peedinker 90's honda rice rocket. I would not put that system in my expensive ass ED. They also dont have carb numbers where in california means you fail smog, not sure where you live. Also there is a guy on youtube that does mopar modifications, and he made his own intake. By replacing the filter and box, will not do anything for the ED, because i guess it has 2 air choke points. I dont know if this has any truth to it or not. Oiled filter allow small dust particles into your engine. Im running a K&N drop in, so if i find out they are actually bad, and its not some "know it all" talking out his ass ill replace it. If you really want an intake, check if mopar has one. It will cost an arm and a leg, but wont void your warrenty.

Also i wouldnt add a tonneau cover for just fuel econ, you will never offset the cost with fuel saving. If your getting it for storage perfect.



to 6.7cummins, I would say the 6.4 and the 6.7 are worse than the 6.0. Once you drop 7-10k into the 6.0 it is as good as 7.3 where as the other two will always break... Follow powerstrokehelp.com on youtube

6.4 is prolly the worse of them all.
 

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Why do you say that?
I think he's saying the Ford 6.7 and 6.4L diesels. A buddy of mine had a deleted 6.4L f350 dually that he beat the **** out of and never had a problem. He even took it to the drag strip a few times and beat everyone he raced. Most were mild built cars and trucks. Funny to see his videos he'd send.
 

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My 2 cents worth on the subject...matches other people's opinion

Do I tow anything that needs the torque of the diesel......NO
Do I want to spend ~4-10k more for a diesel.....NO
Do I want to spend about 40 cents more a gallon for fuel.....NO
Do I want the increased maintenance costs.....NO
Do I want to listen to the noise of a diesel.....NO
Will I recoup the cost of the Diesel within life expectancy of truck.....NO

Was a pretty simple choice for me to get the Hemi.....

exactly.8k more for the cummins.i'd never save that in fuel savings.sure it'll outlast a gas engine but the truck will be a worn out pos anyway.
 
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