Got me thinking

[TerraNewf]

I test drove this truck yesterday and loved it, Laramie Longhorn with the eco diesel, I love the CC with 6.4 bed. They low balled me on my truck only offering $25000.00. Checking a different dealer today

 

[02blkram47]

What truck do you have now?

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[TerraNewf]

What truck do you have now?

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[noupf]

from what i've been reading lately......stay away from the eco diesel, way too many people having problems with them. FCA seesm to be pushing these things and the R&D and real worl testing wasnt thorough enough.

I also have no idea why people want an ED. Yes you get 50-60% better mpg's, but for the $3000 price tag, thats gonna take you ( depending on how much you drive ), 3-6 years just to break even. The HP rating is less than the hemi, and the tourque is almsot the same.....what the hell is the point.....mpg's only? Seriously, i dont get why the ED motor is even made. I can see if it had 30-50 more ftlbs of tourque for better towing and the added mpg's, but it doesnt. I thought i actually read that the ED towing is rated slightly less than the hemi trucks with 3.92's.

Then there is the added cost to maintanence of that motor over its life. Unless you really have a need for it, buy a hemi. Much better bang for the buck, plus, the hemi moves, especially if you get the 3.92 rear.

Go full diesel or go home....or go hemi

Just my 2 cents.....

 

[02blkram47]

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[TerraNewf]

from what i've been reading lately......stay away from the eco diesel, way too many people having problems with them. FCA seesm to be pushing these things and the R&D and real worl testing wasnt thorough enough.

I also have no idea why people want an ED. Yes you get 50-60% better mpg's, but for the $3000 price tag, thats gonna take you ( depending on how much you drive ), 3-6 years just to break even. The HP rating is less than the hemi, and the tourque is almsot the same.....what the hell is the point.....mpg's only? Seriously, i dont get why the ED motor is even made. I can see if it had 30-50 more ftlbs of tourque for better towing and the added mpg's, but it doesnt. I thought i actually read that the ED towing is rated slightly less than the hemi trucks with 3.92's.

Then there is the added cost to maintanence of that motor over its life. Unless you really have a need for it, buy a hemi. Much better bang for the buck, plus, the hemi moves, especially if you get the 3.92 rear.

Go full diesel or go home....or go hemi

Just my 2 cents.....

Interesting POV. Thanks

 

[7777xm]

from what i've been reading lately......stay away from the eco diesel, way too many people having problems with them. FCA seesm to be pushing these things and the R&D and real worl testing wasnt thorough enough.

I also have no idea why people want an ED. Yes you get 50-60% better mpg's, but for the $3000 price tag, thats gonna take you ( depending on how much you drive ), 3-6 years just to break even. The HP rating is less than the hemi, and the tourque is almsot the same.....what the hell is the point.....mpg's only? Seriously, i dont get why the ED motor is even made. I can see if it had 30-50 more ftlbs of tourque for better towing and the added mpg's, but it doesnt. I thought i actually read that the ED towing is rated slightly less than the hemi trucks with 3.92's.

Then there is the added cost to maintanence of that motor over its life. Unless you really have a need for it, buy a hemi. Much better bang for the buck, plus, the hemi moves, especially if you get the 3.92 rear.

Go full diesel or go home....or go hemi

Just my 2 cents.....

I have to agree as well. It's a baby diesel.

Diesel maintenance is definitely and increased costs and the downside with any diesel is when there are potential issues, the computer turns on limp mode or completely disable to the truck. At least with gasoline, in most of our situations, we're still able to drive with a check engine light as long as it's not a flashing check engine light.

The only thing that I think the EcoDiesel is better at is medium load towing, especially through mountain ranges and the higher elevations.

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[14Ramcc]

I have a 14 ED Crew Cab and absolutely love it. Pulls my car or motorcycle trailers with ease. Great gas mileage. Of course I only have just north of 72k on it so I will let you know when I have a problem.

 

[noupf]

I have to agree as well. It's a baby diesel.

Diesel maintenance is definitely and increased costs and the downside with any diesel is when there are potential issues, the computer turns on limp mode or completely disable to the truck. At least with gasoline, in most of our situations, we're still able to drive with a check engine light as long as it's not a flashing check engine light.

The only thing that I think the EcoDiesel is better at is medium load towing, especially through mountain ranges and the higher elevations.

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ahhhhhhh, i think you nailed it. Light to medium towing and better mpg's while doing so.

So if you pull large trailers, the ED isnt really up to task ( it would likely do an ok job, but the the mpg's would be considerably compromised, so it defeats the purpose of buying the ED). If you dont tow at all, you have to hope your ownership / the amount you drive offsets the $3000 price tag for the ED.

Maybe there is a niche market for the ED, i never thought of the light towing. When i hear towing or diesel, i always think of something like 5000lbs +

 

[huntergreen]

if i put on a lot of miles per year., i would certainly look at the ecodiesel.

 

[crash68]

Interesting POV. Thanks

You should goto forums where people who reply actually drive and tow with EcoDiesels.
Lots of Hemi bias on this forum.

 

[jasonw]

You should goto forums where people who reply actually drive and tow with EcoDiesels.
Lots of Hemi bias on this forum.

There does seem to be. Both are great engines, both have their high points and their low points. There are nightmare EcoD stories out there, but there are nightmare stores about any drivetrain combo if you look for them.

Hemi has more power out of the gates, EcoD has far better gas mileage with almost as much power. A tuner for the EcoD solves a lot of that problem, I read.

The potential costs of owning a EcoD are higher, but again, the word is potential. If you get a "bad" Hemi, the costs can get quite high as well.

Another group of forums to take a look at for honest EcoD reviews is the Grand Cherokee forums. Those weigh almost 1000 lbs less than our trucks with the same EcoD and transmission. There have been reports of many GCs getting over 30 MPG highway. A lot of those guys LOVE their EcoDs.

 

[Dmopar74]

ahhhhhhh, i think you nailed it. Light to medium towing and better mpg's while doing so.

So if you pull large trailers, the ED isnt really up to task ( it would likely do an ok job, but the the mpg's would be considerably compromised, so it defeats the purpose of buying the ED). If you dont tow at all, you have to hope your ownership / the amount you drive offsets the $3000 price tag for the ED.

Maybe there is a niche market for the ED, i never thought of the light towing. When i hear towing or diesel, i always think of something like 5000lbs +

If your pulling large trailers, no 1500 is up to task. Yes the 1500's will pull large trailers, but if your doing it on any semi regular occurrence you should be using a 2500 at the least. The 1500 is a great Costco run or renting a trailer but that's it.

 

[Kapt]

I love my Eco!!! I don't tow much, or have a need for the bigger 2500, so why buy one? I love the mileage I get, and seeings how it's my only vehicle right now, economy is the way to go for me

 

[reek]

as a first time buy, I think Eco D could be a viable option. but to trade in for a loss on your current truck or with additional payment, it's hard to justify any vehicle, Eco D or not, with comparable credentials, unless you're after a specific advantage. Or you have disposable income and just want one.

 

[TerraNewf]

as a first time buy, I think Eco D could be a viable option. but to trade in for a loss on your current truck or with additional payment, it's hard to justify any vehicle, Eco D or not, with comparable credentials, unless you're after a specific advantage. Or you have disposable income and just want one.

i do drive a lot, 30k+ per year. There are a few options I could really use, e.g. power drivers seat with lumbar. CC is so much roomier then mine. I would stay with the Pentastar but not available with CC and 6.4 bed in Canada

 

[noupf]

i do drive a lot, 30k+ per year. There are a few options I could really use, e.g. power drivers seat with lumbar. CC is so much roomier then mine. I would stay with the Pentastar but not available with CC and 6.4 bed in Canada

that is a lot of miles. the mpg payback would be quicker for you.

do you trailer at all?

hilly or all flat terrain ( roads)?

 

[cbsmith]

i do drive a lot, 30k+ per year. There are a few options I could really use, e.g. power drivers seat with lumbar. CC is so much roomier then mine. I would stay with the Pentastar but not available with CC and 6.4 bed in Canada

When I bought my 2014 Outdoorsman, in Canada, the sales guy when I was shopping, told me that the breakeven point on them is about 35,000km a year if you are not towing frequently. He had a few eco diesels on the lot so it didn't seem he was saying to to try and steer me into a hemi.

Given what you will lose on the trade-in you would probably be better off getting another hemi if you want the bigger cab. It will be at least 3-4K cheaper. Unless you keep it for a long time you won't save any money on the diesel.

 

[TerraNewf]

that is a lot of miles. the mpg payback would be quicker for you.

do you trailer at all?

hilly or all flat terrain ( roads)?

It's a mixture of both, don't trailer a lot.

 

[TerraNewf]

When I bought my 2014 Outdoorsman, in Canada, the sales guy when I was shopping, told me that the breakeven point on them is about 35,000km a year if you are not towing frequently. He had a few eco diesels on the lot so it didn't seem he was saying to to try and steer me into a hemi.

Given what you will lose on the trade-in you would probably be better off getting another hemi if you want the bigger cab. It will be at least 3-4K cheaper. Unless you keep it for a long time you won't save any money on the diesel.

You make some good points, still doing the number crunching with the trade and cost of the new truck. i haven't even drove a hemi yet, afraid I might get hooked. lol