Got me thinking

[xrsman]

I've got 12,000 kms on my 2016 Ecodiesel, my dad has 17,000 on his, and my uncle has 50,000 on his. No issues with any of them.

The trouble with reading stuff online is that this is where people come to complain, or to look for an answer. The vast majority of the population does not go on these forums, so you're seeing a tiny fraction of owners. It doesn't give a good indication of the percentage of the trucks that have issues.

My Ecodiesel tows like a monster. Not quite as much power as my Hemi, but it's not too far off. My dad has towed 10,000 lbs with his a few times. I was with him for one of the tows. I was amazed. There was NO lack of power. It handled the load with ease on all the hills. It maintained speed and didn't struggle.

Plus it does get way better mileage than the hemi does. Oil changes are close in dollars too. I paid around $90-100 for full synthetic in my Hemi. Dad just got his done. $110. DEF costs around $15 for every 16,000 kms.

My lifetime average for my truck is 10.1 L/100 KMS. This includes towing, city driving, and my commute.

I used to average around 9.5 L/100 KMS (25 mpg) But when I ptbo the bigger duratracs on I've gone up to 10-10.3 L/100 KMS (23.5 mpg).

I just went to pick a trailer up 4 hours away. When 200 kms of the trip was doing 110 kmh (70ish mph), and the other 180 was doing 90 kmh (55mph). My average was 8.6 L/100 KMS when I got to the dealer. That's 27.4 mpg.

Here's some comparison math for you guys.

Here are the 2 Fuelly averages for the hemi and the ecodiesel. I used the numbers for 2016, since we're talking about a new truck.

Hemi

Ecodiesel

Terranewf I'm not sure what fuel costs are like over there, so I used my local fuel prices. Gas is $0.98 per liter, diesel is $0.94 per liter. In the summer there is a consistent $ 0.10 spread, but now going into winter diesel has come up.

Now, let's run the numbers for 30,000 kms per year.

Ecodiesel

Hemi

In 2 years you've paid about $3060 less in fuel then you would have in a Hemi.

Plus you have to think resale. Am ecodiesel WILL get more when it's sold than a Hemi, so you will recoup some costs that way.



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[7777xm]

Now add DPF and maintenance.

Also, non towing performance. It may not matter to all but the EcoDiesel is not as peppy and fast.

And the EcoDiesel has had quite a few issues, not just the typical online complaints. That came gear issue is a biggie.

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[Ryan1126]

is a CC 6'4" bed only available in ED's? i have never seen that.

 

[crash68]

The elusive "cam gear issue" is based off of one person who had the failure at about 150K miles and believed to have lots of idling hours. He also tore apart his truck and modified it extensively. The same cam gear retention method is in use in millions of engines by many different manufacturers around the world. Cam gear issues are extremely rare.

 

[7777xm]

http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8564

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[TerraNewf]

I've got 12,000 kms on my 2016 Ecodiesel, my dad has 17,000 on his, and my uncle has 50,000 on his. No issues with any of them.

The trouble with reading stuff online is that this is where people come to complain, or to look for an answer. The vast majority of the population does not go on these forums, so you're seeing a tiny fraction of owners. It doesn't give a good indication of the percentage of the trucks that have issues.

My Ecodiesel tows like a monster. Not quite as much power as my Hemi, but it's not too far off. My dad has towed 10,000 lbs with his a few times. I was with him for one of the tows. I was amazed. There was NO lack of power. It handled the load with ease on all the hills. It maintained speed and didn't struggle.

Plus it does get way better mileage than the hemi does. Oil changes are close in dollars too. I paid around $90-100 for full synthetic in my Hemi. Dad just got his done. $110. DEF costs around $15 for every 16,000 kms.

My lifetime average for my truck is 10.1 L/100 KMS. This includes towing, city driving, and my commute.

I used to average around 9.5 L/100 KMS (25 mpg) But when I ptbo the bigger duratracs on I've gone up to 10-10.3 L/100 KMS (23.5 mpg).

I just went to pick a trailer up 4 hours away. When 200 kms of the trip was doing 110 kmh (70ish mph), and the other 180 was doing 90 kmh (55mph). My average was 8.6 L/100 KMS when I got to the dealer. That's 27.4 mpg.

Here's some comparison math for you guys.

Here are the 2 Fuelly averages for the hemi and the ecodiesel. I used the numbers for 2016, since we're talking about a new truck.

Hemi

Ecodiesel

Terranewf I'm not sure what fuel costs are like over there, so I used my local fuel prices. Gas is $0.98 per liter, diesel is $0.94 per liter. In the summer there is a consistent $ 0.10 spread, but now going into winter diesel has come up.

Now, let's run the numbers for 30,000 kms per year.

Ecodiesel

Hemi

In 2 years you've paid about $3060 less in fuel then you would have in a Hemi.

Plus you have to think resale. Am ecodiesel WILL get more when it's sold than a Hemi, so you will recoup some costs that way.



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not sure of price of diesel here in Oakville. Thanks for the info, very enlightening

 

[TerraNewf]

is a CC 6'4" bed only available in ED's? i have never seen that.

also Hemi, but not a Pentastar here in Canada

 

[TerraNewf]

Eco diesel engine failures

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There's a lot of reading here. I see that there's been some failures but with the amount of ED's sold it's probably minor and a crap shoot to get a bad one. Some have posted on that forum that they have high milage and no issues.

 

[noupf]

There's a lot of reading here. I see that there's been some failures but with the amount of ED's sold it's probably minor and a crap shoot to get a bad one. Some have posted on that forum that they have high milage and no issues.

i bet there are 10 times as many hemi's sold compared to the ED, so the failure rate is going to be much higher on a percentage basis. I agree its gonna be a crap shoot if you get a bad one, but the odds are going to be higher than you think in my opinion.

does anybody know when the ED came out? Was it 2014?, 15?, 16?

With the issues people are reporting, its like the first generation of anything, sometimes its a good idea to wait an extra year or two after the initial introduction to let the manufacturer iron out all the bugs.

That fuelly chart is interesting. Like the OP said, with his 30k miles a year, your gonna break even a lot sooner than sombody who only drive 15k miles a year. I guess it really comes down to how you feel about the reliability of the motor in question. I Agree as well, the ED may lend you a little more in resale, but i doubt it will be as much as a full sized diesel.

 

[TerraNewf]

i bet there are 10 times as many hemi's sold compared to the ED, so the failure rate is going to be much higher on a percentage basis. I agree its gonna be a crap shoot if you get a bad one, but the odds are going to be higher than you think in my opinion.

does anybody know when the ED came out? Was it 2014?, 15?, 16?

With the issues people are reporting, its like the first generation of anything, sometimes its a good idea to wait an extra year or two after the initial introduction to let the manufacturer iron out all the bugs.

That fuelly chart is interesting. Like the OP said, with his 30k miles a year, your gonna break even a lot sooner than sombody who only drive 15k miles a year. I guess it really comes down to how you feel about the reliability of the motor in question. I Agree as well, the ED may lend you a little more in resale, but i doubt it will be as much as a full sized diesel.

Answer to when the ED came, As cleverly pointed out by Ward's Auto, the new diesel Ram 1500 full-size pickup truck uses the same 3.0-liter turbodiesel V-6 engine that's fitted to both the Maserati Quattroporte and the new 2014 Maserati Ghibli sedans--in Europe.
The 3.0-liter V-6 fitted to the Ram 1500 pickup--and also the Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel as well--puts out 240 horsepower and a substantial 420 lb-ft of torque. It was developed five years ago by VM Motori, an Italian engine firm now entirely owned by Fiat (as is Chrysler itself).
This was written in March 2014, so I guess it was designed and developed in 2009