GVWR RAM vs...

[Farmer Fran]

exactly my 4th Gen at 1640lbs, lol.

My 2017 had a 1500lb rating. My 2020 is 1090 but also 4" longer and leaps and bounds nicer. Like chevette to corvette nicer. So yes i paid the price in payload.

Still does not explain the GVWR of 7500 on a IRS Tahoe and 7100 on my pickup truck.

 

[Farmer Fran]

My buddy corrected me, his Tahoe has 7500 GVWR not 7400.

And it is damn nice. More money then my RAM.

And i still want/need the bed. But my gripe still stands on how an IRS Tahoe has more GVWR than a 1500 RAM

 

[runamuck]

I feel your pain..my laramie only has 1324# cargo cap. Tahoe sounds pretty good but from what I hear, they are kinda pricey..

 

[Farmer Fran]

I feel your pain..my laramie only has 1324# cargo cap. Tahoe sounds pretty good but from what I hear, they are kinda pricey..

His stickered north of 80K... very pricey

 

[Randy Grant]

Yes and it is due to the road regulations and tow regulations of the government. Do you really think an IRS Tahoe can out tow/payload a RAM 1500 or their Silverado for that matter?

And if it is the government or just the MFG - a Tahoe can out tow any light duty pickup and it has an IRS

Actually I think that the tow/payload/gross combined ratings are understated is to keep FCA out of the courts. If they keep the rating a little low by even a couple of hundred pounds, then anyone having an accident/breakdown and claiming that FCA "said" they could tow a certain weight they don't have a case. If you tow over the RECOMMENDATIONS, your on your own.
IMHO....

 

[pacofortacos]

I am no math wizard, but isn't the Ram 1500 a 1/2 ton pickup and isn't a 1/2 ton approx. 1000# ??
SO, shouldn't a half ton pickup be able to haul up to 1000# including driver??

My Payload is higher than 1000 lb. so I am happy that I got more than I paid for !

 

[Randy Grant]

Yea, a half ton(1000#) that's called a 1500(1500#) that is rated at 1385#. I'm not confused one bit

 

[runamuck]

ya mine only has 1324# according to the door label..I am wavering on the decision to get a 2500 because I have a 6000# travel trailer and after hooking it up and loading up the wife and 2 dogs and filling the 33gal. tank, I am maxed out according the official data even tho the truck barely has any squat under that load and seems to handle and ride perfectly. my son has a '17 with even less official capacity and he scoffs at me while calmly loading his with everything he wants to take. I'd rather not push my luck as I dont want to have a problem out on the road somewhere.

 

[dhay13]

ya mine only has 1324# according to the door label..I am wavering on the decision to get a 2500 because I have a 6000# travel trailer and after hooking it up and loading up the wife and 2 dogs and filling the 33gal. tank, I am maxed out according the official data even tho the truck barely has any squat under that load and seems to handle and ride perfectly. my son has a '17 with even less official capacity and he scoffs at me while calmly loading his with everything he wants to take. I'd rather not push my luck as I dont want to have a problem out on the road somewhere.

Ballpark you probably have about 1000lbs tongue weight so you are likely very close or over payload. Is that 6000 dry or loaded? My sons camper is 6500lbs dry and he was about 8100lbs loaded and had about 1100lbs tongue weight but he has a 2018 2500 with a 6.4. His payload is about 2973lbs.

 

[miles01]

I upgraded to a 2500 this year but it weighs 1,900 lbs more then the 1500.
The 1500 was overweight with wife, kids, stuff and trailer by appox 1,000 lbs.(I put in overload air bags).
Due to the 2500 being such heavy truck same load only leaves 100 lbs under GVW.
I should have gotten a 3500, the new 2500s are joke for RV towing. They are rated for heavy trailers but don’t have payload to match (due to weight of the modern trucks, older did not weigh so much) realistically to keep legal you can still only can pull light, small trailers.

 

[Quyonmob]

I upgraded to a 2500 this year but it weighs 1,900 lbs more then the 1500.
The 1500 was overweight with wife, kids, stuff and trailer by appox 1,000 lbs.(I put in overload air bags).
Due to the 2500 being such heavy truck same load only leaves 100 lbs under GVW.
I should have gotten a 3500, the new 2500s are joke for RV towing. They are rated for heavy trailers but don’t have payload to match (due to weight of the modern trucks, older did not weigh so much) realistically to keep legal you can still only can pull light, small trailers.

Your GVW should be much higher on a 2500 than a 1500, unless it’s a registration/paper work think.

if you were a 100lbs over with a 1500 and 100lbs under with a 2500, that means you only increases payload spec by 200 lbs from truck to truck? That doesn’t seem right.

 

[dhay13]

I agree. Something doesn't seem right. Your GVRW should be 10,000lbs. My boat weighed 8600lbs when I weighed it last year but tongue weight was only about 700lbs. My son has an 8100lb TT (loaded) and he had about 800lbs left of payload with me, him and a bunch of stuff in it. Only way you should be close is with a Cummins. A 6.4 should have about 3000lbs of payload and a typical 10,000lb TT would only have about 1300 or so pounds of tongue weight, leaving you with another 1700lbs. Remember 1000lbs of that truck axle weight was the tongue weight

This is my sons CAT slip with his 8100lb TT


And the payload (2973lbs)

 

[runamuck]

Ballpark you probably have about 1000lbs tongue weight so you are likely very close or over payload. Is that 6000 dry or loaded? My sons camper is 6500lbs dry and he was about 8100lbs loaded and had about 1100lbs tongue weight but he has a 2018 2500 with a 6.4. His payload is about 2973lbs.

those are CAT scale numbers. I have under 600# tongue wt. sticker on trailer says 4700# dry shipping wt.

 

[dhay13]

So 6000 sounds like your loaded weight? Your tongue weight should be about 800-900lbs if loaded properly. My sons listed tongue weight is only listed at 690lbs but is actually closer to 1000lbs loaded. The 'advertised' tongue weight doesn't factor full propane tanks, no battery, and I don't think it calculates things like air conditioning or awning?

https://www.granddesignrv.com/app/floorplan/461

 

[OC455]

The 'advertised' tongue weight doesn't factor full propane tanks, no battery, and I don't think it calculates things like air conditioning or awning?

I do believe that the tongue weight includes those items listed. My advertised tongue weight for my camper is 645lbs. When I used my Weigh-Safe hitch and measured my tongue weight, it showed 710lbs. I added a powered/electric tongue jack which added some weight to the overall tongue weight. And that was with the battery and the propane tanks almost completely full.

 

[dhay13]

From what I was told on here they calculate empty propane tanks and no battery. Someone recently mentioned they thought it didn't include the awning either but I'm not sure

 

[Farmer Fran]

So 6000 sounds like your loaded weight? Your tongue weight should be about 800-900lbs if loaded properly. My sons listed tongue weight is only listed at 690lbs but is actually closer to 1000lbs loaded. The 'advertised' tongue weight doesn't factor full propane tanks, no battery, and I don't think it calculates things like air conditioning or awning?

https://www.granddesignrv.com/app/floorplan/461

Regardless of what the advertised tongue weight is, you need to be at proper tongue weight with the actual weight of the trailer when towing it.

It is my knowledge that the sticker on the side of the trailer is with no fluids in the holding tanks, no propane in the tanks but the tanks are on the trailer and no battery but yes to everything else that is in and/or on the trailer.

 

[runamuck]

an earlier poster said his 2500 weighed 1900# more than a 1500..I think it is more like 900-1000# from what I read on the Ram truck website

 

[392DevilDog]

A tradesman Crew Cab 1500 would weigh 5200lbs. A limited crew cab 2500 could weigh more than 8200lbs.

That is 3000lbs difference.

My bare bones tradesman 2500 Hemi weighs 7002. Even that is 1802 lbs difference.

On avg you can figure a 1500 will have 1400lbs payload. On avg a 2500 gasser will have 2900lbs. So 5700 and 7100 for 1400lbs.

It is safe to say...the 1500 GVWR is were the 2500 base weight is.

 

[dhay13]

My 2500 is an SLT but has the Outdoorsman Off-Road package so has everything except leather, heated seats/steering wheel, and sunroof. I have the full length console with touch screen etc. No Ram Boxes either. Pretty equivalent to a Big Horn I'd guess. Mine weighs 7240 with 1/2 tank of fuel and me in it (275lbs)