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I have had an issue on my 2016 3500 since new where my air conditioning and heating system keeps going into recirculate mode by itself. In this mode it is using inside cabin air only. I am in the process of taking this vehicle to the third dealer in am attempt to get this fixed. During this fiasco I was able to duplicate the problem on a 2018 at one dealer, so I suspect many vehicles have this same problem.

My system has the three round control knobs. The knob on the left controls the fan speed and if this knob is pushed it turns on/off the recirculate mode and a light illuminates on the knob when in the on mode.

The center knob controls the temp setting and when pushed it turns on/off the ac compressor. When the knob is turned all the way to the left it also turns on max air or recirculate mode and illuminates the recirculate light on the left knob.

The knob on the right directs airflow out the various vents, defrost, dash or floor.

By themselves these knobs all work correctly. What happens is when the system is on say in ac mode I can hear the outside air vent door close and the fan noise increase. I am then in recirculate mode using inside cabin air only with no recirculate light illuminated on the knob and the middle knob is not in max air mode. If I push the left knob and put the system into recirculate mode for a few seconds and then push it again to turn recirculate off I can hear the door open and draw outside air in. After a few seconds or minutes the door will close by itself. I have removed the glove box and observed the door exhibiting this behavior.

Many dealer service personnel ask me "so what is the problem the ac is working?" The main problem is I do not get any vent mode where I get fresh outside air in the cabin when I am in the vent setting with the ac off. I also am always driving with the ac in max air mode which increases the fan noise in the cabin. The first dealer replaced the hvac control module because everything is controlled electrically. It did not fix the problem. When I duplicated the problem in a 2018 they said there was nothing more they could do, I would have to take it up with FCA. I did that and the woman assigned to my case was a lousy representative and I got nowhere and she never followed up, just wanted me to get a new truck.

But wait, there's more. Many times but not always I turn on the ac by turning up the fan speed and pushing the center knob and the ac light illuminates but the compressor won't start until I put the system into recirculate or max air mode. It will blow warm air all day long with the ac light on until I put it into recirculate or max air mode.

I have an appointment next week at a third dealer but my optimism in getting this fixed is pretty low. It appears to be a software issue but getting someone to listen and follow through either at the dealer or FCA has been impossible.

So, since I duplicated the recirculate door issue in a different truck two years newer than mine I suspect there are many others out there with this issue. The only way to tell is to carefully listen to the fan noise to hear if your recirculate door closes even though the controls indicate you should be using outside air, or if you don't get any airflow into the cabin when in vent mode.
 

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I wonder if this is by design due to the time issues that many had . Just a guess.
 

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I wonder if there is a short in the Fan/ Re Circulation knob ? I am no help but will be following! And Please Update what they find !
 
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I wonder if this is by design due to the time issues that many had . Just a guess.
I have wondered this from the beginning, especially after I saw a 2018 do it. But there is nothing about it in the owners manual and it doesn't make much sense to have the outside air option if it is always going into the inside air mode by itself.

If true, I need to hear it from an engineer and not a tech.
 

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I heard on another thread that this could possibly be normal and is trying to control humidity via a humidity sensor. Of course seeing that the OP is in AZ, can't see a lot of humidity there.
 

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2500/3500 trucks won't have the humidity sensor since they have the fixed displacement ac compressor.

1500's with ATC (dual zone 8.4) have the sensor.

I'm a bit confused by the OP's issue none the less.

M² Mods.
 

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had a company truck, 2018 ram 1500 with the 8.4 and MTC controls just go to the dealer 3 times fixing a similar issue, AC would not work unless it was in max a/c mode. i'll ask and see what the fix was.
 
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had a company truck, 2018 ram 1500 with the 8.4 and MTC controls just go to the dealer 3 times fixing a similar issue, AC would not work unless it was in max a/c mode. i'll ask and see what the fix was.
Thanks, that might be very helpful.
 

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dealership is claiming that after the third attempt to fix this truck that they defaulted and reset the 8.4 radio system as the system wasn't sending the right signals. wont help in your situation as you dont have the climate controls in the radio, correct?
 
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dealership is claiming that after the third attempt to fix this truck that they defaulted and reset the 8.4 radio system as the system wasn't sending the right signals. wont help in your situation as you dont have the climate controls in the radio, correct?
No, my controls are separate. Off to the dealer in the am.
 

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Mine always stays in circulate if I have the temp set to the coldest setting. When I turn the knob a couple settings right of max it allows me to deselect circulate.
 
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Mine always stays in circulate if I have the temp set to the coldest setting. When I turn the knob a couple settings right of max it allows me to deselect circulate.
As does mine, but then mine goes back into recirculate on its own with no recirculate light illuminated.
 
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So today the dealer replaced the heater AC controller. This is the second time it has been replaced. The system is better but still not right. When I turn on the ac it is in recirculate mode (again, controls for that mode and indicator lights are off) but if I turn on and off recirculate the door opens and now stays open and out of recirculate until I turn it off. Before it would go back into recirculate usually within a few minutes. As soon as I turn the system off the door closes and stays closed until I turn recirculate on and off.
 
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No, my controls are separate. Off to the dealer in the am.


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I have noticed something similar on my 2014. If I have the a/c on, with fan speed set usually in one of the highest 3 settings, Ill be cruising along then all of a sudden it sounds as if the fan speed slows down one notch. My truck has done this multiple times so its not a coincidence. I dont use recirculate very often, rather I mean I dont set it to recirculate myself. The truck may be going into recirculate and back and forth on me by itself causing the fan speed change. Not going to lie, I never much worried about it. I am out of warranty anyway.

I have also noticed something else odd. When I am using a/c, I normally leave it in floor/dash vent mode. If I shut the truck off with out turning the fan off, when I start back up I will occasionally have to cycle the vent selection knob to another setting and then back to floor/dash vent to get air out of the dash vents. If I dont, it just blows air out the floor vents. Again, I never really worried about this much either. Minor inconvenience. If there was a fix to be made, I’d love to know though.


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I believe there are widespread problems with the manual HVAC system in later year Rams pertaining to the recirculate door not operating correctly. Every dealer that has looked at this problem has returned the vehicle to me after repair stating "tested the system all is well" or something to that effect. They have the tools to see in real time what the doors are doing. They don't seem to have the knowledge of how the system operates other than it providing hot or cold air. Where that air originates is the issue.
 

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My 2019 1500 AC will not switch to outside air. The electronic controls show the recirculate light on and off but the system stays on recirculate all the time it never switches to outside air.
 

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I am no mechanic but maybe the blend door is stuck or crap fell into the vent, But being a 2019 I would assume you still have a warranty ?
Please Update what you find is wrong and WELCOME to the group
 

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I have that same issue with the recirc control and at times warm/hot air blows out my floor vents. I have 2012 1500 Sport. I just know the repair cost will be high to fix it.
 
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