HID vs LED Lighting

[turboguy327]

I'm going to order them in the morning. I'm getting the plus kit in 9006 at 5500k. I've put hids in about 6 different cars. I usually use a relay power harness but I usually do 55 watt kits but this is just 35watt so maybe I don't need a relay harness?

I hope they are going in projectors

 

[Chase361]

No I just haven't updated my profile. I use to have a black 2015 big horn I now have a 2015 white Laramie. The tester is till in the game. I'm getting kinda nervous tho how can this kit not need any capacitors or power relay harnesses? I'm going to email DDM and see if they have actually installed these in a 2015 and it worked no prob.

 

[Limeybastard]

No I just haven't updated my profile. I use to have a black 2015 big horn I now have a 2015 white Laramie. The tester is till in the game. I'm getting kinda nervous tho how can this kit not need any capacitors or power relay harnesses? I'm going to email DDM and see if they have actually installed these in a 2015 and it worked no prob.

Go a head, they will tell you that that they have sold many to 2015 Ram owners with no negative feedbacks. Their sales folks were nice but ain't that the norm? I generally base my feedback on after sales service.

I based my research on these by looking into 2015 chrysler vehicles and hid issues as a whole lately. With all those having similar issues with hid systems on their 2015 model year vehicles as we Ram owners do. I even went to the point of Facebook messaging those who bought it from ddm via their Facebook page.

Anyways I pulled the trigger for educational purposes earlier. It's coming from China Eta late January early February.

Here's the proof lol

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[Limeybastard]

One other question, some of you including myself notice the headlights ocassionally flicker when driving at night. It's well documented on the stock headlight setup so nothing to do with aftermarket parts per se.
How will this effect those that do led and hid upgrades? With all those compatibility issues I seem to have forgotten about the inherited flickering of stock headlights .

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[Chase361]

Hey how did you get it for $80.95 its 89.95 for me on there site? Did you get a coupon?

 

[Chase361]

Oh and why did you get H1 not 9006? Do you not have projectors?

 

[bigolayne]

He has Spyder headlights and their projectors use H1 bulbs.
The issue with the flicker may seem exasperated due to more light intensity. I know with a relay harness you have a solid source of consistent power flow which should stop the flicker.
As I never had the flicker I'm giving an opinion based off of what others have had happen after the harness install.
The only thing you essentially use from the factory, when using a harness, is the ability to turn on/off your lights.


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[turboguy327]

I have not read every post within this thread but I have a question for those that have experience doing this...



When I choose to purchase a kit like this--->

DDM Tuning: HID and LED Lighting



Would I be better off buying a set of Projector Headlights housings and install with this kit?



My son says the instal will work with the stock quads but not have the same effect as with a Good Set of Projector housings... He himself just helped with a custom build of his headlights within his 08 FX4 with similar HID kit and hand built projector housings and the results are ridiculous compared to the stock version... With my eyes not getting any better and night driving sucking with these stock headlights this would drastically help with night time driving...

You want to do what your son did. Aftermarket headlights and HIDs are terrible. They glare and don't distribute light well. And bind oncoming drivers. Do it right and do it once.

 

[Chase361]

They responded with this! Looks good Im going to order.

Yes, these are actually plug and play with the 2015+ Dodge, including Ram. We put these on dozens of Rams (and other Dodge/Jeep vehicles before we released them to the public).

When Dodge updated the computers for 2015 most Canbus ballasts will no longer work (this includes our Ultra Canbus which works on the 2014's). We developed this ballast specifically for the 2015+ and in doing so it will also work with a majority of other vehicles that have Canbus systems (BMW/MB/Audi/Etc).

There are two ways to get HIDs working on the 2015's:

1: Use a ballast such as our DDM Plus Canbus or
2: You can use a non canbus kit with a wiring harness, 4 resistors and a capacitor. Most companies selling the harness configuration charge around $100 for the harness on top of the price of an HID kit. This is all a bit silly when you can use the proper ballasts and have a functional kit for $89.95/shipped.

I was in charge of testing these ballasts and personally installed them on 6 Dodge's (4 Rams, 1 Durango, 1 Dart) and they work on all of them. Once we had some local guys that used them we shipped some out to customers who were waiting on a PNP solution to get more feedback. Once everything came back good we released them on the website.

That being said, if for some reason you install the kit and have an issue (no one has) we'd send you a return label and issue a full refund.

Best regards,
Leif Bronn

 

[JGBimle]

I think I may be sold enough on these to get a set for my 15 as well and report back with results.

 

[iam_canadian22]

No they dont. so 9006 will fit in the projector headlights and the vertical fogs as well?

Yes

 

[iam_canadian22]

One other question, some of you including myself notice the headlights ocassionally flicker when driving at night. It's well documented on the stock headlight setup so nothing to do with aftermarket parts per se.
How will this effect those that do led and hid upgrades? With all those compatibility issues I seem to have forgotten about the inherited flickering of stock headlights .

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If you run capacitors you wont get that ocassional flicker, on my current leds im not running them so i get the same ocasional flicker, for hids even the canbus ballast must have a capacitor inside so im assuming no more ocassional flicker

 

[Limeybastard]

He has Spyder headlights and their projectors use H1 bulbs.
The issue with the flicker may seem exasperated due to more light intensity. I know with a relay harness you have a solid source of consistent power flow which should stop the flicker.
As I never had the flicker I'm giving an opinion based off of what others have had happen after the harness install.
The only thing you essentially use from the factory, when using a harness, is the ability to turn on/off your lights.


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I'm talking about the stock oem headlights halogen flickering when AC or a load is used. Driving at night, an ocassional flicker of the headlight can be noted.

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[Limeybastard]

They responded with this! Looks good Im going to order.

Yes, these are actually plug and play with the 2015+ Dodge, including Ram. We put these on dozens of Rams (and other Dodge/Jeep vehicles before we released them to the public).

When Dodge updated the computers for 2015 most Canbus ballasts will no longer work (this includes our Ultra Canbus which works on the 2014's). We developed this ballast specifically for the 2015+ and in doing so it will also work with a majority of other vehicles that have Canbus systems (BMW/MB/Audi/Etc).

There are two ways to get HIDs working on the 2015's:

1: Use a ballast such as our DDM Plus Canbus or
2: You can use a non canbus kit with a wiring harness, 4 resistors and a capacitor. Most companies selling the harness configuration charge around $100 for the harness on top of the price of an HID kit. This is all a bit silly when you can use the proper ballasts and have a functional kit for $89.95/shipped.

I was in charge of testing these ballasts and personally installed them on 6 Dodge's (4 Rams, 1 Durango, 1 Dart) and they work on all of them. Once we had some local guys that used them we shipped some out to customers who were waiting on a PNP solution to get more feedback. Once everything came back good we released them on the website.

That being said, if for some reason you install the kit and have an issue (no one has) we'd send you a return label and issue a full refund.

Best regards,
Leif Bronn

Ask them when the 2015 production Ram electrics where changed. I bet no one knows when Chrysler made the changes in what month year production . I believe this is an important query as the changes could have been implemented for example in production month 2 of year 15. Whereas mine for example although a 2015 model was manufactured in 12 / 14 , so in essence the hid kit that works for me will be the ultra version OP used. Thus the canbus plus one will be a fail or vicer versa.

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[SitKneelBend]

I'm talking about the stock oem headlights halogen flickering when AC or a load is used. Driving at night, an ocassional flicker of the headlight can be noted.

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Sounds like a good candidate for the big 3 upgrade...

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[2014moparam]

Are these in reflector or projector housings? HIDs are known for horrible glare in 4th gen reflector housings. Both single bulbs and hi/low housings. There are a ton of people around me running glare kits and even I get blinded in my leveled 2500 my these glare kits. It's one reason I have my light bar.

I have zero issues with glare and light scatter. Are they projector housings with a razor sharp cutoff? No. Do I have them aimed at the stock level? Yes. Have I been flashed? Not once.



THIS is what is a huge issue, these types of hid installs in crappy halogen housings...

I'm going to order them in the morning. I'm getting the plus kit in 9006 at 5500k. I've put hids in about 6 different cars. I usually use a relay power harness but I usually do 55 watt kits but this is just 35watt so maybe I don't need a relay harness?

No I just haven't updated my profile. I use to have a black 2015 big horn I now have a 2015 white Laramie. The tester is till in the game. I'm getting kinda nervous tho how can this kit not need any capacitors or power relay harnesses? I'm going to email DDM and see if they have actually installed these in a 2015 and it worked no prob.

It is all built into the wiring of the ballast, no additional relays required.

Just realized the "tester" has 2014, all bets are off .. The original poster 2014moparman has already successfully installed a Ultra DDM HID kit in his truck.

2014moparam was the fella who originally created this thread mentioning that he used the Ultra DDM tuning HID kit. Then this ( me ) muppet writing this post got all wet in the pants as 2014moparman (incorrectly) mentioned that this kit will also work as plug and play on the 2015 Ram trucks, which according to DDM they dont, well they do but wont be plug and play, for that DDM states you need the DDM Plus Canbus HID kit which they assure me will work - after much discussions with them.

Now going back to the OP again, he then totally redeemed himself and posted a Facebook screen shot of what DDM state is needed for the 2015 Ram's after I posted a screen shot of DDMs websute showing his HID kit the DDM Ultra not listed for the 2015 trucks - total love story made in heaven if you ask me as this little play fighting uncovered a product which a few of us on here have been dreaming about.

Now all that is needed is for someone with a 2015 truck to buy one and send us feedback, else you bastardios can send me the money and I will do the labor part on my own truck for free so we can all see if it works or not. ( joke , I aint really begging ).

My mistake, but as I said in one of the first posts where I linked to the kit, i stated I BELIEVE that it was the kit that worked on 15's, in which I caught myself and linked the conversation on FB.

Never meant to mislead anyone, so my apologies for that.

One other question, some of you including myself notice the headlights ocassionally flicker when driving at night. It's well documented on the stock headlight setup so nothing to do with aftermarket parts per se.
How will this effect those that do led and hid upgrades? With all those compatibility issues I seem to have forgotten about the inherited flickering of stock headlights .

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I do know what flickering you are talking about(I experienced it with my LED bulbs) but with the HID kit, so far, zero flicker.

If you run capacitors you wont get that ocassional flicker, on my current leds im not running them so I get the same ocasional flicker, for hids even the canbus ballast must have a capacitor inside so im assuming no more ocassional flicker

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Ask them when the 2015 production Ram electrics where changed. I bet no one knows when Chrysler made the changes in what month year production . I believe this is an important query as the changes could have been implemented for example in production month 2 of year 15. Whereas mine for example although a 2015 model was manufactured in 12 / 14 , so in essence the hid kit that works for me will be the ultra version OP used. Thus the canbus plus one will be a fail or vicer versa.

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That is the real question, and honestly, if I was still employed by FCA, I could probably find that information out quite easily... Since I have left the dealership, I have pretty much been in the dark as far as getting more information than just about everyone else that doesnt work for chrysler lol.


I ASSUME that on ALL 2015's they changed the wiring/computer programming/whatever makes them different than the 2014, and that ALL 2014's dont have that change on them. *Assuming*

 

[Limeybastard]

I have zero issues with glare and light scatter. Are they projector housings with a razor sharp cutoff? No. Do I have them aimed at the stock level? Yes. Have I been flashed? Not once.



THIS is what is a huge issue, these types of hid installs in crappy halogen housings...







It is all built into the wiring of the ballast, no additional relays required.




My mistake, but as I said in one of the first posts where I linked to the kit, i stated I BELIEVE that it was the kit that worked on 15's, in which I caught myself and linked the conversation on FB.

Never meant to mislead anyone, so my apologies for that.





I do know what flickering you are talking about(I experienced it with my LED bulbs) but with the HID kit, so far, zero flicker.



This






That is the real question, and honestly, if I was still employed by FCA, I could probably find that information out quite easily... Since I have left the dealership, I have pretty much been in the dark as far as getting more information than just about everyone else that doesnt work for chrysler lol.


I ASSUME that on ALL 2015's they changed the wiring/computer programming/whatever makes them different than the 2014, and that ALL 2014's dont have that change on them. *Assuming*

Never accused you of misleading anyone , if anything we as a duo might have unearthed something . We'll see. ;-)
I don't want to be bugging Bigolayne for his "spare" wiring harness. LoL.

Also, DDM got back to me about the build date and year application query, they stated they believe it's all 2015 models as they also worked with 12/14 MY trucks which mine is. Which is somewhat reassuring.

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[Limeybastard]

Dumb question , last time I installed a hid it kit was early 2000s. That's when kits were like 500 or so bucks if not more so I totally forgot.

Question, if one were to change from h1 hid capsules to h11 would I also need to buy a new ballast as I think the plugs are different ?
Was thinking I could put the stock quad headlights back in with h11 capsules while retrofitting new projectors into the Spyder headlights. Which I ordered h1 HIDs for .

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[bigolayne]

Dumb question , last time I installed a hid it kit was early 2000s. That's when kits were like 500 or so bucks if not more so I totally forgot.

Question, if one were to change from h1 hid capsules to h11 would I also need to buy a new ballast as I think the plugs are different ?
Was thinking I could put the stock quad headlights back in with h11 capsules while retrofitting new projectors into the Spyder headlights. Which I ordered h1 HIDs for .

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No sir, just the new bulbs. I did the same thing with mine. I had the H1 and then just ordered the 9012 and plugged them in and all good. That is staying with the same brand as well.

 

[2014moparam]

Never accused you of misleading anyone , if anything we as a duo might have unearthed something . We'll see. ;-)
I don't want to be bugging Bigolayne for his "spare" wiring harness. LoL.

Also, DDM got back to me about the build date and year application query, they stated they believe it's all 2015 models as they also worked with 12/14 MY trucks which mine is. Which is somewhat reassuring.

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Hey no worries, I'm just trying to make sure everyone is on the same page, and that people wanting HID's in their 15's know that there is possibly a solution for them!

I am highly confident that their kit will work for those with 15's though!