I drove an electric car over 3,000 miles in three months. It tested my sanity.

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I drove an electric car over 3,000 miles in three months. It tested my sanity.​

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Since I don’t have a home charger, a three-month experiment to discover how a high-mileage driver copes with running an electric car (or not) would surely be accompanied by plenty of snacking opportunities as the volts flowed into the battery.

I’ve run electric test cars before, of course, often only for a week or two, but mostly for a day where at the end paid flunkies take the car away and charge it.

This was going to be different, no hydrocarbon fuel at all. And I cover a lot of miles, never certain where I’m going to be summoned to next week or next month, often having to change plans at the last moment. Usually, I keep a full fuel tank and a packed bag, which wasn’t going to be quite so simple with an electric car.

The car? A Ford Mustang Mach-e Premium RWD, £63,030’s worth of 289bhp/430Nm, 98kWh large SUV. The claimed range is a useful 372 miles in the WLTP cycle. We’ll see…

‘This hasn’t been the easiest or happiest of experiments’: Andrew English did more than 3,000 miles of electric driving in three months
My first job was in Hatfield, a 100-mile round trip, for a car review. My app showed a couple of Porsche 350kW chargers at a nearby dealer but they were coned off. Instead, it was a six-mile round trip to a Shell Recharge. Nominally rated at 175kW, so a quick fill for the Ford which will accept a 150kW DC charge, but in this case the charger never got above 60kW; by the time the battery showed 90 per cent the current was trickling in at less than 20kW and I had eaten the apple and started my library book. A 30 per cent charge took 45 minutes, welcome to real life…

In fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen anywhere near the full capacity of any charger flowing into the Ford. That is understandable when the state of charge is above 80 per cent, less so below that figure. Since the speed of charge is dependent on so many variables, the charging industry is able to kick the question down the road.

You roam the undiscovered parts of the country when you travel electric. Small housing estates, tiny back roads and obscure forecourts are all part of the daily search for volts. I’m reminded of various government ministers and charge-company executives trilling about how convenient it all is, without giving a thought to those without private driveways on which to enjoy cheap VAT-free recharging and who might find forking out £40,000-plus for an EV rather more than their wallet will bear. Still, it’s always good to hear how the other half are getting on.

Not that I don’t like electric driving, it’s quiet, smooth (mostly) and effortless. Weight is an issue, yes, and on certain roads the Ford rides like a balloon on a stick, but it yomps around the M25 and up the M1 and occasionally, just occasionally, it’s possible to see how a post-petrol world might work.

Not on a trip to Wales for a Hyundai launch two weeks later, however. I’d planned for a recharge at a service station on the M42 near Birmingham. On arrival, however, the service station in question has 35 Tesla Superchargers with only one Tesla being charged and (wait for it) two Gridserve chargers, one of which wasn’t working, the other with a queue of BT vans all requiring a full charge.

Exorbitant prices:
And the prices! A year ago, I was quoting Ionity’s 78p per kW as expensive, but now even a 50kW charge is 85p/kW and I’ve paid up to 91p. Compare that with the 22.36 p/kWh average price of domestic electricity in the UK and weep.

A typical fill for the Ford has always cost in excess of £50 and far from the quoted efficiency of 3.79 miles per kWh. I’ve been getting about 2.8m/kWh on a long run using a bit of air-con, which gives a real-world range of 274 miles. Yet in reality it’s nothing of the sort, because you always start looking for a charge when the battery level drops to about 20 per cent, so reckon on just over 200 miles.

I’ve tried pushing the range, of course, and ended up in Honiton to be greeted by an out-of-service BP Pulse charger. This prompted backtracking to Exeter Services, limping to the bank of Gridserve chargers with less than five per cent in the battery. Mrs English was less than impressed.

In the past three months I’ve learnt to navigate the country using Lidl supermarkets, most of which have a little-used 50kW charger tucked in the corner of the car park. Perhaps this isn’t quite the brave new world extolled by government.

ChargeUK is the self-styled “voice of UK EV charging”, representing the companies that install and operate charge points. At its autumn reception in Westminster, Lilian Greenwood MP, the under-secretary of state for the future of roads, gave a speech promising to “support the EV industry not simply to grow but to thrive”.

She said the charging industry “is already committed to billions of pounds in charging infrastructure investment by 2030 and that’s a huge step. And this government will back you all the way”.

Interestingly, while she also committed to the proposed reversal of the date to ban new combustion car sales back from 2035 to 2030, she also added somewhat weaselly: “In 2030 there will be no new cars relying solely on internal combustion engines.” A reprieve for hybrids, then.

It’s all rather jolly when charging companies meet government, they all seem so confident and well-fed. Sometimes I wonder if they’re just whistling in the dark like scared teenagers walking back from school in the dark, at others just over-confident wazzocks giving each other jobs.

It’s actually quite difficult to find out how profitable the provision of volts to electric cars is. At Companies House you’ll find 22 companies with Gridserve in the title, all with headquarters in the same building in Iver, Bucks. The articles of association are sufficiently vague to make nailing down the actual profit from charging operations almost impossible. We also learn that the costs are highly variable, solar and wind power costs will depend on the contract signed and the time of day at which that electricity is flowing into the grid; the industry calls it “sleeved” supply.

As you’d expect, the charging industry is all about investment right now, with a long list of international power companies stumping up the cash.

Companies are backing the UK’s charging infrastructure, with a multibillion-pound investment promised by 2030 - Alamy
Go to BP’s annual report for 2023, for example, and you learn that it ended the year with 29,000 recharging points and made $15.2 billion in profit. Five pages on, you learn that BP also sells fossil fuels…

The minister said: “We must double down on charging. We must think about the needs of people without off-street parking, we must think about fast-tracking the release of funding to local communities to roll out a reliable network of public charge points.” I’m not sure that’s what is happening, though, or whether it should. I’ve not seen any efforts by local authorities to provide public charging and when I’ve asked about running a cable across a pavement to the Ford, I’ve received a distinctly chilly reply from my local council planning office. It’s also hard not to boggle at the ethical and dialectical gymnastics involved in simultaneously urging the splurging of council tax on providing EV charge posts for the 1.1 million electric cars on our roads, while also ending the universal winter fuel allowance to old folk.

The minister also echoed ChargeUK calls to go “further and faster” in the rollout of charging points and recognised the need to provide “a reliable, accessible and affordable EV charging network”.

So far, they’re not doing particularly well, even by their own measure. One recent study from charging specialist Konect and fuelling specialist Gilbarco Veeder-Root showed that the US, Europe and the UK are more than six times behind the number of plugs needed to meet growing EV demand by 2030.

As for the reliability, in three months and more than 3,000 miles of electric driving, charging on the go, I’ve found more than 20 out-of-service chargers, I’ve had my vehicle locked inside fields while charging and also been locked irretrievably to a charger twice when the plug refused to let go, which requires an engineer to release you and hours out of your life – EV motoring means constantly apologising for being late.

It’s hard to put an accurate figure on the number of EV charging points on Britain’s roads - Doug Peters/PA

There have been some high points in the past three months. The Ford has been reliable and nice to drive, although this hasn’t been the easiest or happiest of experiments.

A cautionary survey from the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago found 47 per cent of US respondents think they’d be unlikely they’d go electric, while a recent McKinsey & Co survey found 46 per cent of current EV owners in the US would go back to a combustion engine at their next switch. Most respondents in both surveys cited charging as their main beef.
 
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You give up the convenience of a gas station on every corner. You also give up your time waiting on the damn thing to charge. Its not like you can carry a can of gas in the back just in case. You run out of juice you are stuck. I just don't get the draw.
 

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EV motoring means constantly apologising for being late.

I like that one!
Most respondents in both surveys cited charging as their main beef.
Yet the industry and political talking heads keep telling us it's the price of EV's that is holding back the widespread adoption of them. I say BS. As the survey found, most of the complaints I hear are about charging. A close 2nd place would be range.
 

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I like that one!

Yet the industry and political talking heads keep telling us it's the price of EV's that is holding back the widespread adoption of them. I say BS. As the survey found, most of the complaints I hear are about charging. A close 2nd place would be range.

and they entice you into buying one with all the fancy LED lights in and out, a full digital dash and they make them as futuristic as possible, only to end up being junk.

maybe someone who lives in a city itself and only has to drive 20 to 50 miles a week (mostly toi show off their status symbol car) can justify one, but for those of us who live in rural or even suburban areas, it's not a practical car to buy. Besides, in order to charge at home, you will need to have installed a high Kw system, about 3 to 7 thousand. Then, watch the meter spin as you charge. lol
 

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And, don't forget to mention, that when the municipal politicians realize that these crazy heavy vehicles are destroying the road surfaces much faster than ICE vehicles, they will be jacking the road taxes/property taxes.

Most municipalities are broke after pi$$ing away $ during the plandemic, they will all be cashing in on this opportunity.

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I just leased an EV (Tesla Model 3) I use my Ram up in the northwoods all summer and it is the perfect vehicle there. 2018 with Ramboxes. Love it. I put it in heated storage and in May when I go back up, I will pull it out. At home, I have one car, a diesel SUV that I love. It's a 2015. I take it across the country and pulled a trailer with it getting 24 MPG. But, I needed a second car and because I have solar power, an EV seemed like a good option for an around town car. I did a 3 year lease, no money down, $500/mo. We will see how it performs.
 

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and they entice you into buying one with all the fancy LED lights in and out, a full digital dash and they make them as futuristic as possible, only to end up being junk.

maybe someone who lives in a city itself and only has to drive 20 to 50 miles a week (mostly toi show off their status symbol car) can justify one, but for those of us who live in rural or even suburban areas, it's not a practical car to buy. Besides, in order to charge at home, you will need to have installed a high Kw system, about 3 to 7 thousand. Then, watch the meter spin as you charge. lol

You can get good home charging with a L2 charger that just needs a regular 50A circuit. Unless your grid power feed or breaker box is maxed out on capacity it should be under $1K to have the circuit pulled to where you want the charger. I my case I already had a NEMA-50 outlet so I only needed a plug in charger which can be had for about $250. I charge my Kia EV6 over night to 90% and get about 150 miles of city range with another 100miles indicated before empty.

Bottom line anything under 100 miles per day can easily be done with most of the current production EVs. (My EV6 is rated for 310 mile range).

Cost wise home charging has a nice pay back. My ev6 cost about $5-10 to charge at home vs my Mustang that has about the same range and cost $40--50 to fill.

Not saying a EV is for everyone but they are hard to beat as a commuter if you can charge at home. Only being able to use a commercial eliminates all advantages to a pure EV IMO; however, you can get close with a plug in hybrid as they will get 30-40 miles of range over night on a regular 15a 120V circuit so if you don't have long commutes they are effective.
 
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We got hit with Hurricane Helene. The majority of my area on west has no power. Towns are wiped out. The town/city west of me has some power.

We had to drive east to get extra gas for our generator (lucky to have one).

Thankfully, we live near downtown of a small town. Our power comes from one of the main trunk lines, so, we got power back yesterday afternoon.

Much/most of the town is still without power. Our city water is working fine. The bigger town up the road has no water, as the water plant is flooded.

Most anyone around here with an electric car as their only transportation would be SOL right now.

I am one of the blessed to have power in this area. Most don't, even in this town.

There are major cities without power. Asheville is destroyed, as is Black Mountain, the town of Lake Lure was completely washed away. Boone is down in much of the area.

You can drive far enough to get gas if you have a tank full. I filled up before the storm hit, so I still have almost all of it left.

A full battery wouldn't get you very far, and then, where are you going to charge it when there is very little, to no power.

You can run a gas station on a generator if need be.

This hurricane has shown the vulnerability of going solely electric, as our leaders from all over the world want us to do.

But, in reality, the goal is to control the population and their movements with electric, not going green to save the planet.
 

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Ack, oh pleases, Please, PLEASE put quotes around "Mustang" when you're talking about those things. [And the same thing if someone ships an electric Rav4 labeled "Camaro","Charger", and so forth!"

That branding should be criminally prosecuted as a crime against Americana!

The MCA may have accepted that abomination as a mustang, but no-one has dared top show up with one yet at my local club (which is affiliated with MCA).

Now, if they called it a "Mach E", and left it at that, I wouldn't be annoyed. A reference to history is one thing; claiming to be is another. Kind of like if Kia acquired rights to the Packard trademark, and starting using it on three cylinder cars.

Anyway, once you get past the automatic fail, the thing might be an adequate (or even excellent, I don't know) around-town runaround, but I think it is "well established" that an electric without a home charger is nonsensical, and also for someone who will be taking long distance trips more than once or twice a year.

And to be clear, I'm writing this as someone actively looking for a new hybrid. I've paid the $100 to get on the ramcharger waiting list, and am holding off on a Powerboost F-150 to see if it's usable (apparently I'm not learning from the wrangler 4xe debacle!). The only reason I don't have a hybrid Maverick for my wife to get me through is that the seat can't tilt (so my left leg has to support itself, which hurts after about 100 miles!). (so the most likely scenario currently seems to be to buy her the Maverick, and bide my time for the Ramcharger or the '28 F-150).

Plug in hybrids with usable ranges are one thing, which I'd happily buy; a pure electric will wait until I can pull in at 20%, get to 80% in 10 minutes (including any line!), and have enough to go four hours at actual freeway speeds with headlights and ac/heat. (I'm not expecting the many time soon!)
 
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You give up the convenience of a gas station on every corner. You also give up your time waiting on the damn thing to charge. Its not like you can carry a can of gas in the back just in case. You run out of juice you are stuck. I just don't get the draw.
True, but you can carry a can of gas and a small generator.:rotflmao:
 

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EV= Grocery getter, and kid hawler (around town only). Being serious here cause who has time to wait for a recharge, and worse yet - go looking for one in a strange town or neighborhood. Not this guy.
True anecdote- know a contractor who bought a Lightning p/u truck. Hooked his trailer on full of tools and equipment to head out of town to work, and only got 100 miles down the road before it told him to recharge. LMAO
 

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Speaking of the Helene, can one drive an EV thru a flooded street? See that all the time with gas powered vehicles.
I can't remember which model, maybe it was the model s, but one of Teslas vehicles actually floats and it's waterproof enough to not leak. Doesn't sound like a good idea though, if it did happen to leak, that's the end of your car.
 

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I watched a video that had 4 EVs, of different brands

The Mustang EV was one of them, there were 4 drivers that switched vehicles.
They all had something to say about how bad the Mustang handled the European Roads,
One guy mentioned the different driving modes the Mustang had & that you could use the radio to Imitate the sound of the Gas powered models :crazy:

Only 1 of the EVs was able to travel the distance that was predetermined as a distance that all 4 EV could reach on just one charge.
They drove each car, until the 4 vehicles could not move, the battery had 0% charge.

I found that video ..


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I would like to see a contest that began in Los Angeles & ended on the East Coast, like NYC or Washington DC.
contestants would be
at least 4 brands of EVs cars, with their choice of battery size
4 Hybrids cars, with their choice of propulsion
4 Gas powered cars, with their choice of engine size

They would all travel the same roads/Major Highways
They would not break any laws, including speed limits
They would all attempt to stay in the same town/city motels/hotels
Each vehicle would have 2 drivers

It would be interesting to see the issues & timing at the end of each day & the final results at the end of the trip
 
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It really depends on your situation. If your commute to work is within the mileage range and your spouse has a gas vehicle for trips it may work out. My wife has a toyota rav 4 plugin hybrid that goes 40 miles on just electric before switching over to hybrid. It charges overnight on a regular 15 amp plug. She drives to work and back each day using no gas. The car averages 80 mpg or higher. The big problem I see with pure electric is that in cold weather the charge takes longer to achieve and the mileage range drops signifigantly. If you live in Canada for instance I'm not sure if it would be worth it. For us the hybrid plugin has saved us lots of money and i still have my Ram for towing/carting stuff around. As with any new technology, there will always be improvements but right now we're not there yet and the government should not be pushing these things on everyone. It's nice to have options though.
 

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I picked up a Hornet hybrid last winter for a cheap commuter. When it's cold here in CO I can get to & from work (24ish miles) on st the battery and it charges off my 110v plug overnight. Warmer weather I use about half the battery for the same trip. It's a great little around town car, but that's it. On a related note, the insurance is a lot higher than I expected.

The cost to recharge at home is super cheap compared to gas, but the inconvenience of a full electric is real. My girlfriend just picked up a Nissan Leaf and while it's a nice little car, better than I expected, she's definitely run into range anxiety a few times.

I think a lot of people, on all the different levels & sides of the EV thing are setting expectations that just aren't reasonable. They are not long/heavy cargo vehicles at this point. At best, I'd say they're a temporary bridge to something better like hydrogen if the end goal is to get away from burning gas/diesel.
 
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