Lower the PSI? Tires?

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I was hanging out with some friends today, one of them works for a Ram dealer, he's a friend of a friend etc. Told him I just picked up a 1500. One thing that stood out was that he said to lower my tires PSI due to the hot weather here in Arizona.

The door jam sticker says to keep it at 40psi if i'm not mistaken? He said to keep all 4 tires at around 30psi and this will give a smoother ride and decrease tire blowouts on the highway. He said "just keep each tire at 30-32psi cold". Currently each tire is at 40-42psi on startup according to the dash screen which shows the psi.

Is that correct? Sorry for the noob question, I'm not really a smart guy when it comes to cars/trucks.
 

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Just my opinion but I would say do what the door sticker says. Low air pressure creates more heat in the tire. I don't know what tires you have but the SRA's on mine have a tendancy to roll on sidewalls with low air. With proper air you keep the contact patch in the tread area. I have heard that the SRA's are probably to sidewall punctures and this could be one reason .

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Just my opinion but I would say do what the door sticker says. Low air pressure creates more heat in the tire. I don't know what tires you have but the SRA's on mine have a tendancy to roll on sidewalls with low air. With proper air you keep the contact patch in the tread area. I have heard that the SRA's are probably to sidewall punctures and this could be one reason .

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Yeah I think he was thinking I had different tires. I have the 275 tires it says on the side, again I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff. He said that lower PSI absorbs heat better, and that if it was a higher PSI it would expand the sidewall.

I don't know what the hell is true lol.
 

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One thing I've always done, especially after you change out the factory tires. In real small letters down by the bead of the tire it will say max cold air pressure. I start with that, maybe a # or 2 lower and see how the fire wears. In my opinion the factory tires are just marginally serviceable. I wouldn't think that it would cost that much more to put a decent tire on at the factory.

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Chalk test. Start at max pressure, run a chalk link across the entire tread and drive it. Keep lowering pressure until the tire is making the most contact from edge to edge of the tread. You'll be at the ideal pressure for those tires on your particular vehicle. The door sticker pressure is a generalization.
 

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agree with 69gwc, air them to what the door sticker says. my oem 18" firestones are 80 psi max, i run than at 70.

lower tire pressures will build heat in a tire and make it more suspectible to failure.

this is exactly why on TTs you air up to max sidewall pressure before hitting the road.

it's amazing to me the misinformation out there that gets disseminated.
 

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comparing passenger vehicle tires to trailer tires is like comparing apples to hand grenades. They're both round, but designed to do different things.

The reason you want to run trailer tires at max PSI is for their load bearing capabilities. Load rating is effected by pressure.

For passenger tires, for optimal tread wear, you want an even contact patch. Adjusting the pressure to achieve optimal contact patch will extend tread life and performance. For instance, the Cooper ST Maxx's on my Jeep are rated for 44 PSI max. If I even ran them at 35 PSI they'd be riding on the roughly 60% of the tread which would cause premature center wear and poor handling. I run them at 26 PSI to get full tread contact.

Every vehicle, depending on options, is going to weigh different resulting in a different PSI needed to achieve optimal tread contact with the road. For a truck, if you are carrying a load or towing, then air them up.

Chalk test will ultimately help determine the best PSI for your given load. Too low a pressure will result in outside edge wear, too high and you''ll get center wear. My truck says 35 PSI on the door sticker. I run them at 38 PSI.

Plus to take in to account that not all tires, across brand and model, in a given size are created equal.
 

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Your TPSM will keep going off if you go that low. My 17 must have a very small leak on the left rear as it keeps dropping to like 32 and setting off the notification. Its annoying. Oddly it says put pressure to 40 but if you look at the tire sidewall the max psi is 40. So apparently it wants me maxed out
 

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Your TPSM will keep going off if you go that low. My 17 must have a very small leak on the left rear as it keeps dropping to like 32 and setting off the notification. Its annoying. Oddly it says put pressure to 40 but if you look at the tire sidewall the max psi is 40. So apparently it wants me maxed out

Mine has the same thing. I looked at the tire and everything is OK. There is only 4200mi on them.
 

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I think your friend's friend is smoking something. I've never read in ANY Auto or factory service manual over the years any recommendations to run tires low on air pressure below the recommendation except maybe to get unstuck from sand. For one thing, you'll be inducing front end understeer which will make it handle poorer. Secondly, the added tire bulge will create increased temp at the sidewalls which stresses the tire's sidewalls.

Running tires low on air pressure was the KEY reason (but not the only one) that led to all those people getting hurt in the whole Explorer/Firestone tire fiasco. They recommended and sold Explorers with tire pressure of 26 psi ...when Firestone knew it was too low and recommended against anything less than I think it was ..30? (stressing my memory here) ..30 or 32. Even Ford engineers experienced handling and tire issues and recommended a higher pressure. The tire exploding problem started showing up in Saudi Arabia and middle east during really hot periods. Ford and Firestone sent engineers over to investigate the problem. They did nothing at first, then credited the tire cost. The problem was so persistent, the primary importing dealer would replace every set of Firestone's at their expense if need be prior to selling an Explorer. Then Ford started seeing tires explode in high numbers in the hottest southern states in the USA in the summer. In fact, a buddy of mine (now retired) worked for a large, well-known corporation and one of his colleges was killed in a company vehicle (new Explorer) on a mid-summer hot day ...the Explorer rolled over on a clear country road, no nearby traffic according to my buddy. The company lawyers attempted to sue Ford but Ford had assembled a swat team of lawyers for just this specific problem who would immediately fly to any Explorer tire issue, buy up the evidence ...and stay and watch it be crushed. The company my buddy worked for didn't win or settled out of court. Eventually the problem became so persistent (I think it was 1 out of every 350 Explorers would end up in a roll-over?? ...something along those lines) that it caught the attention of lawmakers and of course lawyers. Firestone issues were uncovered that exacerbated the problem it was shown. What came out of that big landmark lawsuit was mfgrs implementing TPMS to ensure tires would be run above a minimum pressure (so they wouldn't have to face lawsuits too), and SUV's being built lower to the ground so as to lower the roll-over risk. So if you ever wondered why TPMS came to be, and why SUV's are built lower ..well that's the story. BTW, this is chronicled in a really fascinating book that I couldn't hardly put down till I was finished, if anyone is so interested. It should almost be required reading for construction project managers and corporate engineers/high level managers of just about any industry:
https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Highways-Adam-L-Penenberg-ebook/dp/B00HR9B0A6/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1508168850&sr=1-3&keywords=adam+penenberg
I know this isn't an Explorer, they're not the Firestones and you're not at 26psi ...and if they get a little low for a period the world isn't likely to come crashing down. But there's a lot of info that running tires too low increases sidewall friction (temperature) between the rubber layers and if run long and hot enough it can lead to trouble best be avoided.

I would stick with the 40 and not take any more of your buddy's buddy's recommendations. Sure it might yield a little more compliant ride, but at what cost? These Rams already ride quite smooth as it is. Tires are expensive, treat them nice. If it's a brand new truck, they probably came nitrogen-filled which you'd be letting some of that out.
 
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I have a 98 Ford Explorer that had the "bad tires", every time I took it to get the oil changed Ford would lower the tires down to 26 psi, every tine no matter if I told them to leave them alone or not.
I would take it home and go around and air them back up to 35psi, I stopped taking it to them because of that.
I did end up with a free set of tires out of the deal at 33,000 miles.
Would never run tires that low its just not safe imo.
 
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