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Looks like you didn't get it yet. You doubt the Volvo, but not the Ram, and you don't doubt the 2018 Grand Cherokee with it's 7200lbs towing capacity.

What part of this do you not understand? volvo GCWR cannot be compared to ram 1500 GCWR. They use different ratings, tests, measurements. You're comparing apples to oranges.

You go on and on about completely irrelevant details. Next you're going to tell me what your preferred topping of toast is. Don't care. My message to you has always been: volvo GCWR cannot be compared to Ram 1500 GCWR because they use different measurements and tests to get to those numbers.
 

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What part of this do you not understand? volvo GCWR cannot be compared to ram 1500 GCWR. They use different ratings, tests, measurements. You're comparing apples to oranges.

You go on and on about completely irrelevant details. Next you're going to tell me what your preferred topping of toast is. Don't care. My message to you has always been: volvo GCWR cannot be compared to Ram 1500 GCWR because they use different measurements and tests to get to those numbers.
And the end numbers are what you can legally and safely tow. I don't care how they came up to them. And that's it, end of story.
 

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What part of this do you not understand? volvo GCWR cannot be compared to ram 1500 GCWR. They use different ratings, tests, measurements. You're comparing apples to oranges.

You go on and on about completely irrelevant details. Next you're going to tell me what your preferred topping of toast is. Don't care. My message to you has always been: volvo GCWR cannot be compared to Ram 1500 GCWR because they use different measurements and tests to get to those numbers.
And here's some numbers: 2012 ram 1500 rwd with a 3.7 engine std cab GVWR is 6025lbs, Volvo is 6060lbs, the Gross combined for Ram is 8500lbs. Couldn't find for Volvo. And the trailer weight, 3800lbs for ram and 5000 for Volvo. That's it. These are the numbers, like them or not, and how the manufacturers came up to them, I don't care. All I know is that the ram 1500 is just an SUV with a box instead of a trunk. They are 4518lbs base weight for the ram and 4544lbs for the Volvo. You can go to both official dealers and ask, and they will open the books for you and tell you the same things. Believe it or not, your right.
 

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And here's some numbers: 2012 ram 1500 rwd with a 3.7 engine std cab GVWR is 6025lbs, Volvo is 6060lbs, the Gross combined for Ram is 8500lbs. Couldn't find for Volvo. And the trailer weight, 3800lbs for ram and 5000 for Volvo. That's it. These are the numbers, like them or not, and how the manufacturers came up to them, I don't care. All I know is that the ram 1500 is just an SUV with a box instead of a trunk. They are 4518lbs base weight for the ram and 4544lbs for the Volvo. You can go to both official dealers and ask, and they will open the books for you and tell you the same things. Believe it or not, your right.


Those are pretty numbers. For the 10th time, each manufacturer not using J2807, chooses their own tests and decides on their own how to rate their cars/trucks.

You. Can't. Compare. Those. Numbers. Across. Brands.
 

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And here's some numbers: 2012 ram 1500 rwd with a 3.7 engine std cab GVWR is 6025lbs, Volvo is 6060lbs, the Gross combined for Ram is 8500lbs. Couldn't find for Volvo. And the trailer weight, 3800lbs for ram and 5000 for Volvo. That's it. These are the numbers, like them or not, and how the manufacturers came up to them, I don't care. All I know is that the ram 1500 is just an SUV with a box instead of a trunk. They are 4518lbs base weight for the ram and 4544lbs for the Volvo. You can go to both official dealers and ask, and they will open the books for you and tell you the same things. Believe it or not, your right.
I think you're cherry picking a bit here......

Look at ALL the options. The below are direct from Ram's 2012 Ram 1500 Trailer Tow and payload selector sheet.

2012 Ram 1500 ST, Reg cab, 3.7 V6
They offer 2 GVWRs:

6025
6600

If you step up to a 4.7L V8 in the same trim as above:
They offer 3 GVWRs:

6025
6350
6600

If you get the 5.7 Hemi:
They offer 3 GVWRs:
6200
6350
6600

The gross combined should all be factored as well:

3.7 V6 - 8,500 lbs
4.7 V8 - 11,250 or 12,500 depending on rear axle ratio
5.7 Hemi - 14,000 or 15,500 depending on rear axle ratio


It appears that you are trying to compare a Volvo suv to a full sized half ton truck. Sorry, but there's no comparison. Volvo offers 2 options. An XC90 that can tow 4,000 lbs, or one that can tow 5,000 lbs. It's dependent upon which engine is in the car. Nothing more.

Serious question and not poking at you by asking this.... if Rams are of subpar quality (don't tell that to my old Audi A4... talk about a flaming pile of "well built" German engineering), then why do you own one?
 

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I think you're cherry picking a bit here......

Look at ALL the options. The below are direct from Ram's 2012 Ram 1500 Trailer Tow and payload selector sheet.

2012 Ram 1500 ST, Reg cab, 3.7 V6
They offer 2 GVWRs:

6025
6600

If you step up to a 4.7L V8 in the same trim as above:
They offer 3 GVWRs:

6025
6350
6600

If you get the 5.7 Hemi:
They offer 3 GVWRs:
6200
6350
6600

The gross combined should all be factored as well:

3.7 V6 - 8,500 lbs
4.7 V8 - 11,250 or 12,500 depending on rear axle ratio
5.7 Hemi - 14,000 or 15,500 depending on rear axle ratio


It appears that you are trying to compare a Volvo suv to a full sized half ton truck. Sorry, but there's no comparison. Volvo offers 2 options. An XC90 that can tow 4,000 lbs, or one that can tow 5,000 lbs. It's dependent upon which engine is in the car. Nothing more.

Serious question and not poking at you by asking this.... if Rams are of subpar quality (don't tell that to my old Audi A4... talk about a flaming pile of "well built" German engineering), then why do you own one?


He's completely clueless to be honest. What you can tow is limited by multiple limits: GCWR, RAWR, GVWR are the main ones, you can't exceed any one of those 3. He of course doesn't look into any of that, just naively thinking that he can hook up each and any trailer he wants as long as it weighs < 5000 pounds because hey Volvo gave him that number.

The ram in this argument is limited due to the engine in that specific truck. Drop a v8 in and suddenly it will tow double/triple that with all else being the same.
 

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I think you're cherry picking a bit here......

Look at ALL the options. The below are direct from Ram's 2012 Ram 1500 Trailer Tow and payload selector sheet.

2012 Ram 1500 ST, Reg cab, 3.7 V6
They offer 2 GVWRs:

6025
6600

If you step up to a 4.7L V8 in the same trim as above:
They offer 3 GVWRs:

6025
6350
6600

If you get the 5.7 Hemi:
They offer 3 GVWRs:
6200
6350
6600

The gross combined should all be factored as well:

3.7 V6 - 8,500 lbs
4.7 V8 - 11,250 or 12,500 depending on rear axle ratio
5.7 Hemi - 14,000 or 15,500 depending on rear axle ratio


It appears that you are trying to compare a Volvo suv to a full sized half ton truck. Sorry, but there's no comparison. Volvo offers 2 options. An XC90 that can tow 4,000 lbs, or one that can tow 5,000 lbs. It's dependent upon which engine is in the car. Nothing more.

Serious question and not poking at you by asking this.... if Rams are of subpar quality (don't tell that to my old Audi A4... talk about a flaming pile of "well built" German engineering), then why do you own one?
Initially i said that the Volvo is rated to 5000lbs compared to 3800lbs of this post owner's 2012 ram in his configuration. And the other guy started having all kind of doubts about it. Well, his right. But the numbers are official, from the manufacturer, and they are not from thin air. I believe a good crew of engineers thought well and did some testing before they put those numbers in the book, we like it or not. And that's the reference if the question comes up of how much it can tow.
Yes, there are other configurations of the 2012 year Ram that are rated higher, but we're not talking about them. I was surprised that, as you say, "a full size half ton" pickup has such a small towing capacity. Which I call them now half-trucks, :)) compared to my one ton Ram with it's high output Cummins. Sorry, half-ton owners, :))
As for why I own one, is because I don't have another choice. If there was an European pickup truck on the North American market available with a diesel engine, I would have bought it. Or if there were V8 diesel Mercedes GL, or Audi q7, or Touareg like they have in Europe, I would have got one of those. I was thinking of buying a 2016-17 Nissan Titan with a V8 Cummins, but for about the same price(a good price), I found this 2016 Ram 3500 Longhorn Laramie, 6.7 high output Cummins, deleted, with Aisin transmission, crew cab, short box, canopy, pearl white, very good shape, clean title compared to others that I saw, with little engine hours (3600) and, most important, little idle hours(360), 178 thousand kms, that I just couldn't pass by. I thought, well, compared to a Titan, a Ram is a Ram. And all last year I was checking the prices for the same configuration that I have, and they were about 5-7 thousand higher.
But, as a mechanic by trade, and looking at the quality of the factory paint job and everything else on this truck, I can not justify that one of these trucks brand new costs more than $100 thousand CAD now. Well, it's a good truck, but they could have done better, and I will just try to keep mine alive and in good shape for as long as I can, that means rust proofing it every year, and I use it mostly only to tow my camper in the summer, last winter it was parked with a battery maintainer connected, started it only twice since November. For just everyday drive around we have the Volvo, and for long distances without towing or big cargo we have the diesel Mercedes. Very efficient and smooth. I change the oils in my cars by hour meters, I installed on Volvo and Mercedes, and transmission and steering filters, additional 2 microns fuel filters on the Mercedes and Ram, so, my vehicles will last, I hope.
 

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He's completely clueless to be honest. What you can tow is limited by multiple limits: GCWR, RAWR, GVWR are the main ones, you can't exceed any one of those 3. He of course doesn't look into any of that, just naively thinking that he can hook up each and any trailer he wants as long as it weighs < 5000 pounds because hey Volvo gave him that number.

The ram in this argument is limited due to the engine in that specific truck. Drop a v8 in and suddenly it will tow double/triple that with all else being the same.
Of course, you have very much of a clue. I very well understand all these numbers, and they apply to every other vehicle, so yes, i can repeat one more time for a gifted person like you, I can tow a trailer with a maximum weight of 5000lbs, loaded properly, so not exceeding the tongue weight on the hitch, which would be part of the payload, and not exceeding the axle weight, because I will not go over the payload limit of the car, and stay within all the weights limits. Within 5000lbs of maximum trailer weight, and within 1100smth lbs of payload, including fuel, passengers, cargo, tongue weight, and within the length of the hitch that this tongue weight is applied.
So just accept it. 5000lbs. Let this number haunt you at night. :)
 

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Those are pretty numbers. For the 10th time, each manufacturer not using J2807, chooses their own tests and decides on their own how to rate their cars/trucks.

You. Can't. Compare. Those. Numbers. Across. Brands.
But. I. Can. Tow. 5000lbs. Who. Are. You. To. Tell. Me. That. I. Can't?
 

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Of course, you have very much of a clue. I very well understand all these numbers, and they apply to every other vehicle, so yes, i can repeat one more time for a gifted person like you, I can tow a trailer with a maximum weight of 5000lbs, loaded properly, so not exceeding the tongue weight on the hitch, which would be part of the payload, and not exceeding the axle weight, because I will not go over the payload limit of the car, and stay within all the weights limits. Within 5000lbs of maximum trailer weight, and within 1100smth lbs of payload, including fuel, passengers, cargo, tongue weight, and within the length of the hitch that this tongue weight is applied.
So just accept it. 5000lbs. Let this number haunt you at night. :)

Yeah you can hang out in my blocked users list for a while, not enough time in the day to waste on nonsense like this.
 

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