Andrei20
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Like I care.Yeah you can hang out in my blocked users list for a while, not enough time in the day to waste on nonsense like this.
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Like I care.Yeah you can hang out in my blocked users list for a while, not enough time in the day to waste on nonsense like this.
5000lbs > 3800lbs.Yeah you can hang out in my blocked users list for a while, not enough time in the day to waste on nonsense like this.
The self leveling suspension on the Volvo is interesting since it isn’t complicated computer controlled air. The nivomat shocks are self contained with no electronics and pump back up when driving under load.I understand all that, of course, you should use your brains before you attach a trailer to your vehicle. And "properly equipped", if you go the official dealer, they will tell you that it has to have a factory installed hitch receiver, which my Volvo has, a brake controller, which I am not sure if it has, but can be easily added, and the Trailer Safe Assist is already programed in the electronic control unit as part of the Digital stability control system, and is triggered once you connect the trailer electrical wiring, the car knows that it has a trailer hooked up and behaves accordingly. That's it. Besides that, my Volvo is equipped with rear self leveling suspension, so no squat there when you start driving.
And of course, you take in consideration all other factors, how many people you have in your car, how much luggage, the altitude, all the rest, in three words, use your brains to be safe. And no one in the right mind will use the car to tow a trailer at its maximum capacity, the dynamic loads on the car, specifically on the hitch, during driving might be a lot higher than the rated numbers. That's why I think being at around 2/3, or maximum 3/4 of the maximum towing capacity would be safe.
And we started this talk here when I compared my 2007 Volvo to the 2012 ram 1500, which is also pre- J2807 standard, and everything that I said about what would a dealer say, and about being properly equipped would apply to the Ram too, and any other vehicle before 2014. So, apples to apples. At the end of all, use your brains. And at a dealer, the first thing that they will do when you ask them how much you can tow, they will open the same book or same online information about your vehicle that you have already found. They are just salesmen, they will not assume higher numbers out of nothing, as you said, it's all liability and lawsuit. Here's the book, there's the numbers, follow recommendations. 2007 Volvo xc90 - 5000lbs when properly equipped, 2012 Ram 1500 rwd - 3600 or whatever lbs towing capacity, also, when properly equipped.
I'm not familiar with Volvo, so how they calculate towing capacity interested me.
I looked up some data on an XC90 on Volvo's website just to get an idea. It does show a max tow rating of 5k lbs (with the note "when properly equipped") unless you have a front wheel drive. Then it's 4k lbs. I also read that this rating only applies to towing in altitudes not to exceed 3,280 ft above sea level. For every additional 3,280 ft above that the tow rating is reduced by 10% to account for decreased engine power. But they don't do a very good job explaining what "properly equipped" means.
It doesn't appear to be cut and dry, which is no different than a Ram or any other vehicle that tows. Volvo and similar vehicles which aren't really designed with towing in mind are very vague in their tow ratings. It will likely tow it just fine, but point being that you still have to do your diligence and look at the data for your specific vehicle, and not use the blanket statement that is in the owner's manual.
The Ford Explorer is an easier one because they do use the J2807 method. Ford also sticks this caveat at the bottom of their tow chart for the Explorer:
"Maximum towing capabilities are for properly equipped vehicles with required equipment and a 150-lb. driver and passenger and vary based on cargo, vehicle configuration, accessories, option content and number of passengers. See label on door jamb for carrying capacity of a specific vehicle. For additional information, see your Ford Dealer"
Further down, they also include this:
"Under certain conditions, however, (e.g., when the trailer has a large frontal area that adds substantial air drag or when trailering in hilly or mountainous terrain) it is wise to choose a vehicle with a higher rating"
And this:
"Your specific vehicle’s tow capability could be reduced based on weight of selected trim series and option content."
You can't just say that if the manual says you can do it, that you can. These manuals are written generically with enough legalese to get them out of any potential lawsuits. You have to put in the effort to determine what is safe and practical versus what the advertisement said it could do.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying.....So you have no problem believing that the ford explorer, a unibody crossover SUV with a turbo 4 with 310 ft pounds of torque that weighs 4700 pounds and has a 119in wheelbase can tow 5300 pounds?
But you can’t believe that the 2023 xc90, a unibody crossover suv with a turbo 4 with 310ft pounds of torque that weighs 4650 with a 117.5in wheelbase can tow 5000 pounds?
The math on that equation is the same.
Yes, it's a cool feature, and the technology would be very handy and very much applicable for most of the pickups. And they last too. At 232 thousand kms mines are original and not showing any signs of fatigue. Very happy with the quality.The self leveling suspension on the Volvo is interesting since it isn’t complicated computer controlled air. The nivomat shocks are self contained with no electronics and pump back up when driving under load.
Honestly they would be nice on the 4th gen, outside of cost I’m not sure why you don’t see them more.
And that was exactly my point. A Touareg towed a Boeing 747 once, but that doesn't mean that it can do it all the time and it's safe to put it on the road, and it's not legal either.So you have no problem believing that the ford explorer, a unibody crossover SUV with a turbo 4 with 310 ft pounds of torque that weighs 4700 pounds and has a 119in wheelbase can tow 5300 pounds?
But you can’t believe that the 2023 xc90, a unibody crossover suv with a turbo 4 with 310ft pounds of torque that weighs 4650 with a 117.5in wheelbase can tow 5000 pounds?
The math on that equation is the same.
Critics accepted.Andrei you are new here and it appears that you came in here to try to argue instead of to learn or offer up any kind of help with questions. I don't think you'll make it very far without keeping an open mind. Yes, you've repeated multiple times that you would prefer a European vehicle, that you really don't like Ram, and that you're a mechanic and know more than the rest of us. Kudos to you. Still not sure why you're here unless it's to troll.
At the end of the day, a 1/2 ton truck is going to have more payload and towing abilities than a mid-sized SUV in most cases. In the case of a Ram with a small V6, of course it's going to have less towing capacity because of the power to weight ratio. But people don't buy such a large truck with a small engine to tow with. They buy it for light utility and usually for better fuel mileage.
When you start talking about towing, you have to compare apples to apples and once again as many have already said, you're not doing that because Volvo does not use the same standards to determine tow rating as American companies. Therefore you cannot get an accurate comparison. If Ram decided to use the same standards as Volvo you'd likely see the tow ratings of a Ram increase even more. These trucks are physically more capable than they are rated for, but there is a margin of error built in for safety.
I towed a 16k 43' triple axle toy hauler from Kentucky back to Alabama with a 2012 Ram 2500. It was way over the payload capacity (under axle rating) but it moved the load down the road and got us home, so it can do it. Would I do it again? No. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should and just because one line in a brochure tells you that a vehicle is "capable" of towing *** lbs of weight doesn't mean you can ignore the other caveats that the manufacturer tells you about (I.E... the Ford or the Volvo notes). You have to apply common sense AND an ability to properly interpret the information in the owner's manual before you decide what to tow.
Further evidence of dumb people: I’m selling my ‘21 2500 Hemi and there was a lady in the RV resort that was interested in it. They just bought a new 5W but don’t have a truck yet since they’re here for a year. Anyway, my truck has a 17k lb tow limit, 3060 lb payload and GCVWR of 23k lbs. She showed me her RV details and as soon as I saw 2350 empty hitch weight and 15k lb. loaded weight I told her she needed a 3500 diesel to stay well under all limitations. Also typed up a list with all pertinent explanations that one needs to know. So…she was happy till her neighbor told her she would be fine with my truck, sight unseen, due mostly to tow weights.
He said he was a long haul trucker and knew that stuff. BS! I explained again why it wasn’t a good choice and to buy something that would have plenty of excess capabilities. My 2500 pulled my 10,500 lb loaded 5W extremely well but it’s not enough for the weights she has.
Correct, you are absolutely not an expert.I'm no towing expert, but just remember Bruce Jenner was over towing with his SUV, which caused an accident and killed someone. He was looking at manslaughter charges... just sayin..
" not an expert."Correct, you are absolutely not an expert.
Wow! There is no end to people spreading false information.
Jenner was not "over towing" at all. The Cadillac escalade had a towing capacity of 8100-8300 lbs. It was towing a trailer loaded with an ATV so I seriously doubt it was overloaded.
Not a troll post. Bought the 5th wheel, already in place at a campsite, so I've never had any occasion to move it yet.Can it? Sure, just watch some YouTube videos of grossly overloaded trucks in third world countries. Or pulling fivers with VW Beetles.
Should you? Absolutely not. Don’t take any advice from that hitch guy. He’s dangerous.
Frankly this sounds like a troll post; it’s hard to imagine that anyone who already owns a fifth wheel could be so uninformed about what it takes to tow it.
I hope you plan on buying a truck (or paying a tow company) when it's time to move it. You need at least a 3/4 ton.... If you attempt to tow it with what you have in your sig, it will not end well.Not a troll post. Bought the 5th wheel, already in place at a campsite, so I've never had any occasion to move it yet.