MMX no tune required cam. Anyone running it?

[Ram7081]

First, I know there is better and more power cams that require a tune. But, a cam swap and you get 30hp and no tune is required has me looking at it. Anyone running it yet? MMX said per chat 2009+ 5.7l. 30hp/tq gain.
https://www.modernmusclextreme.com/...d-nsr-mds-performance-na-camshaft-by-mmx.aspx

 

[ScLeCo]

That's a lot of money, time, and effort for 30hp...

 

[Ram7081]

Tune + trans is $1500? Tune, PCM, programmer.
This is on par with that, no?

 

[Tim Garceau]

This is enticing for people with lifter/cam failure who desire a little more. Even though you're gonna need to put in new lifters, it removes the tuning aspect.

 

[Ram7081]

Called around. Looks like labor is $450 and new MMX cam is $620 for this setup @ 30hp. So, $1070. That's cheaper than a tune, programmer, and pcm swap ($1500). Thoughts?

 

[RedSRT4Me]

First, I know there is better and more power cams that require a tune. But, a cam swap and you get 30hp and no tune is required has me looking at it. Anyone running it yet? MMX said per chat 2009+ 5.7l. 30hp/tq gain.
https://www.modernmusclextreme.com/...d-nsr-mds-performance-na-camshaft-by-mmx.aspx

I think that's an excellent offering. In fact I might go that route first because of a few reasons

Don't have to pull the heads
Don't have to change valve springs.
Don't need the top end rebuild kit.

Then when I'm ready for that stroker kit I can do all the above later along with another cam to fit the stroker motor profile.

 

[Ram7081]

I think that's an excellent offering. In fact I might go that route first because of a few reasons

Don't have to pull the heads
Don't have to change valve springs.
Don't need the top end rebuild kit.

Then when I'm ready for that stroker kit I can do all the above later along with another cam to fit the stroker motor profile.

Ya, I am really thinking about it

 

[brad_12]

WOW! Great option!

 

[Tim Garceau]

Would need to see a dyno slip, if you're losing 30hp/30trq down low under 3000RPM where a truck needs the power and gaining it up top that's a downgrade IMO.

Probably meant for the R/T cars...

 

[brad_12]

Would need to a dyno slip, if you're losing 30hp/30trq down low under 3000RPM where a truck needs the power and gaining it up top that's a downgrade IMO.

Probably meant for the R/T cars...

Not sure if they have a graph or not, but in the description says "This camshaft has added 30 Wheel HP to our 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 Laramie, as well as a noticeable increase in low end torque."

 

[Ram7081]

Would need to a dyno slip, if you're losing 30hp/30trq down low under 3000RPM where a truck needs the power and gaining it up top that's a downgrade IMO.

Probably meant for the R/T cars...

Per convo (what's its worth) MMX said all gains are "where the factory specs are".

 

[Ram7081]

Not sure if they have a graph or not, but in the description says "This camshaft has added 30 Wheel HP to our 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 Laramie, as well as a noticeable increase in low end torque."

Per chat convo, MMX said the tq and hp increase was about the same. I asked in top rpm range or? He replied both in the factory cam rpm range.

 

[brad_12]

Sounds like a good all around deal. I like it!

 

[Tim Garceau]

Duration and separation angle similar with more lift to keep the PCM happy, 30/30 on a stock motor seems optimistic...

To the tires, doubtful... That's why they don't put guarantees on the box any more Tommy Boy.

 

[Ram7081]

Duration and separation angle similar with more lift to keep the PCM happy, 30/30 on a stock motor seems optimistic...

To the tires, doubtful...

Says to the tires "This camshaft has added 30 Wheel HP". I asked for dyno slip. We'll see. Ill post if they send one.

 

[RedSRT4Me]

Duration and separation angle similar with more lift to keep the PCM happy, 30/30 on a stock motor seems optimistic...

To the tires, doubtful... That's why they don't put guarantees on the box any more Tommy Boy.

30 is probably with other bolt-ons like headers.

30/30 really isn't that hard to believe when the high lift tuned version are producing 70whp with supporting mods.

 

[Wild one]

Says to the tires "This camshaft has added 30 Wheel HP". I asked for dyno slip. We'll see. Ill post if they send one.

Looks like they offer it as a MDS delete cam to.I'm guessing that one would need a tune of some sort ,otherwise it would probably turn on a light/code for the MDS. I'd like to see a dyno sheet to,as it'd have to be a torque monster down low,to add any horsepower to the equation at the factory 5600 rpm limiter

 

[ScLeCo]

I really don't get this desire to avoid a tune. Anything worth doing is going to require a tune. Anything else is just

 

[GRN69CHV]

Been there, done that with many engines. Newer truck, low miles, small increase in lift and duration, OEM valve springs are probably ok. Higher mileage (I'd say 40k+ which isn't really high for stock cam design) I would swap out the valve springs. These motors run beehive springs, they are spec'd for a certain rpm range and compatibility with the lifters. Serious power gains are made by increasing lift and that costs $$$$. BY the time you swap out cam ,lifters (pull the heads) springs, pushrods retainers, you'll be pushing $2K in parts plus labor if you don't do the job yourself. At that point, having it tuned doesn't really add much more cost.

 

[Ram7081]

30 is probably with other bolt-ons like headers.

30/30 really isn't that hard to believe when the high lift tuned version are producing 70whp with supporting mods.

They have the truck on youtube. I don't believe it has headers. Muffler was removed and cai only.