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The best time to push alternative energy solutions was decades ago, the second best time is now. Does battery and charging tech suck currently? Without a shadow of a doubt. That doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile endeavor.
 
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It was interesting, what Chairman Toyoda said about the way others were holding back.
 

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It was interesting, what Chairman Toyoda said about the way others were holding back.
I agree, but it's not surprising really. That would be like the CEO of BP saying charging times are too long and filling up with gas is quicker.
 
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The best time to push alternative energy solutions was decades ago, the second best time is now. Does battery and charging tech suck currently? Without a shadow of a doubt. That doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile endeavor.
Agree, just don't think it has to be a one solution for all. There are also new environmental issues cropping up, so is electrification of transportation just shifting impacts from one place to another?
 

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Agree, just don't think it has to be a one solution for all. There are also new environmental issues cropping up, so is electrification of transportation just shifting impacts from one place to another?
Currently yes, and I'm not claiming to have any knowledge about future tech. Battery tech is always improving, and has to make some big jumps to be viable for a wider scale acceptance. My point is that we still need to be pushing for the new tech as a pathway to future breakthroughs, not stopping because the current tech sucks.
 

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Im not buying into the EV loopy environmentalist politicians are trying push, most don't know the difference between a volt and a amp, the infrastructure is not there, politician's will spew out battery technology is changing all the time, Im not buying a battery thats still under research, give me a truck with a battery thats light weight, good for 500 miles in the cold, charges in 5 minutes and doesn't deteriorate, am I asking too much, if I am thats tough. I see a large fail coming with EV's especially in how fast governments want you to change, never trust government in anything these days, and to top it off I don't want to pay twice at an EV charger at night time, first the ripoff price the charger is going charge you, and second is handing my wallet to the guy with the gun who is robbing you.
 
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I keep reading all kinds of literature on the subject of EVs, and a question I see is: Why do EVs have mega battery packs for hundreds of miles when some high percentage of trips in those vehicles are for about 20 to 30 miles? That is a total waste of resources, building a car that will drag excessive, unnecessary weight most of its life.

I see all kinds of benefits in building EVs with less-capacity batteries. Limited and expensive materials spread across more cars, elimination of special tires due to the heaviness of EVs, cheaper production costs, faster recharge times, etc. Maybe they need to stop trying to reach range-anxiety people like me and instead focus on the people who can live with a vehicle designed for average use. Of course the trade off us mor charging, but if a smaller pack reaches full charge faster, maybe time is near a wash (I am not an electrical engineer, so sure someone can intensely school me here, I am just thinking out loud and not factually saying this would exactly happen).

For me, hybrid maybe for daily transportation of the family (we definitely don't fall in the average bracket most days), but alternative fuel is where they will reach me at a place when I will give up my gas ICE.
 

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I keep reading all kinds of literature on the subject of EVs, and a question I see is: Why do EVs have mega battery packs for hundreds of miles when some high percentage of trips in those vehicles are for about 20 to 30 miles? That is a total waste of resources, building a car that will drag excessive, unnecessary weight most of its life.

I see all kinds of benefits in building EVs with less-capacity batteries. Limited and expensive materials spread across more cars, elimination of special tires due to the heaviness of EVs, cheaper production costs, faster recharge times, etc. Maybe they need to stop trying to reach range-anxiety people like me and instead focus on the people who can live with a vehicle designed for average use. Of course the trade off us mor charging, but if a smaller pack reaches full charge faster, maybe time is near a wash (I am not an electrical engineer, so sure someone can intensely school me here, I am just thinking out loud and not factually saying this would exactly happen).

For me, hybrid maybe for daily transportation of the family (we definitely don't fall in the average bracket most days), but alternative fuel is where they will reach me at a place when I will give up my gas ICE.

I'm not so sure. I think less range = less useful and more panic and range anxiety. I'm not smart enough to do the math but I don't think the extra weight adds up all that much, just like none of us gas guys drive around with only 1/4 tank of fuel to save weight. At least I don't, I fill er up everytime and run till quarter.

If you charger your car with 400 mile of range until 100%, then only use 25 miles before plugging back in, you didn't waste anything the charger will only charge what you used. So the time it takes to "fill up" 25 miles is the same time regardless of capacity if both batteries have more than 25 miles of capacity.

I'd sooner suggest hybrids for your use case; you can go full electric most of the time but when you need it, you have gas on board generator to help you in a pinch.
 
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Well, the Tesla Model 3 standard has about 3,000 cells (1400 less than long range), weighs about 300 lbs less than the long range, and only loses about 40 miles in range (272 to 312).

My argument is that the repeated statements about the statistics of driving say electric cars with lesser range should serve a large percentage of the driving public. Ergo, this would lend a standard range to be sufficient for persons who are average, some who are slightly above average, and all who are below average drivers in those statistics. If the government and companies want to force as many people as possible to electrify why not build more cars at a lower cost?

But I do agree, for those persons who are needing more range, a small engine (for example the Wankle going into Mazdas) are more effective as they only start when needed, and batteries can be reduced down much further to only meet the average drive. Taking the Model three above, if 2900 cells get you 282 miles and 4400 get you 315, then maybe 1000 cells get you 80 miles and the weight savings may be a wash, but it still meets the goal of reduced emissions which is why EVs are coming out in the first place (since engine should rarely be needed based in average usage).

Just thinking, not the expert. But with a APU in the Revolution, that may be what Ram is considering, build electric for the average commute and engine power to motors for long range and towing.
 
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