New truck prices

[star_deceiver]

Do you guys pay extra registration fees for EVs? .

$200/yr. Relative chump change compared to all the gas taxes.

 

[seafarer]

Do you guys pay extra registration fees for EVs? For us, we have higher taxes to recoup road maintenance fees that EV use doesn't pay at the gas pump.

What state ?

 

[NCRaineman]

Here’s a future cost comparison for you, how much to change or keep. And yes, electricity is that expensive in Alberta.View attachment 557513

Are additional tires factored in? EVs chew them up faster than ICE vehicles because of their additional weight.

Let's also mention that not everyone can charge at home. Millions of people rent, so that's hours a week wasted at a public charger... and time is money.

Now if you can charge at home, especially if you have home solar, and make a lot of short trips then an EV might be practical. But that's not the majority of drivers.

 

[NCRaineman]

$200/yr. Relative chump change compared to all the gas taxes.

As EV adoption spreads and road maintenance coffers start coming up dry expect that tax to skyrocket. At the moment early EV adopters are getting away with paying less because there simply aren't enough of them to make a difference. Same goes with electricity prices really. Load the grid up with a few million more EVs and gas will actually be cheaper per mile/km than electricity.

 

[06 Dodge]

Well one thing I can say is in my pickup I can go 500+ miles without having to stop to refuel have yet to see a 100% EV nor can it be charged up in the time it takes to refuel my truck with 25 gallons of diesel i.e. in under 5 minutes....

 

[NCRaineman]

Well one thing I can say is in my pickup I can go 500+ miles without having to stop to refuel have yet to see a 100% EV nor can it be charged up in the time it takes to refuel my truck with 25 gallons of diesel i.e. in under 5 minutes....

It's the convenience aspect that is the big problem. The closest charging station to my residence is 30 minutes away and I have to pass a dozen gas stations to get there. You can drive just about anywhere in the lower 48 and never be more than 15 minutes from a gas station. The only places where they are further spaced than that aren't heavily inhabited, like the desert states or the rockies. As long as you are traveling through "civilized" areas you never have to plan your route or look for fueling stations. There's likely one within a quarter mile of the next highway exit.

 

[06 Dodge]

My neighbor has a Ford Mockery-E when she went to go on vacation this years she had to rent a car as she can't stop every 200-250 miles to recharge the car lol, my self going to Yellowstone in May and have doubts they have a lot of EV charging stations handy in ID, MT, WY & SD

 

[star_deceiver]

Are additional tires factored in? EVs chew them up faster than ICE vehicles because of their additional weight.

Let's also mention that not everyone can charge at home. Millions of people rent, so that's hours a week wasted at a public charger... and time is money.

$1500-$2000 every year and a half up here. A minor expense in the world of new vehicle affordability. EVs don’t chew up tires because of weight. EVs have massive instantaneous torque so your right foot is directly responsible for tire life.

If people choose to rent in a place without proper plugs, that’s their problem. Get your ducks in a row financially before buying a horrible depreciating asset like a new car.

Well one thing I can say is in my pickup I can go 500+ miles without having to stop to refuel have yet to see a 100% EV nor can it be charged up in the time it takes to refuel my truck with 25 gallons of diesel i.e. in under 5 minutes....

Nobody’s comparing a half ton ev to a one ton diesel. You leave your home everyday with a full tank. Also, anyone with a wife, girlfriend, or children will never just be at a gas station for 5 minutes during a road trip… you’ll also never synchronize everyone’s bladder to make more than 200miles.

My neighbor has a Ford Mockery-E when she went to go on vacation this years she had to rent a car as she can't stop every 200-250 miles to recharge the car lol, my self going to Yellowstone in May and have doubts they have a lot of EV charging stations handy in ID, MT, WY & SD

Friends don’t let friends buy Fords. Sorry for her luck. There’s also plenty of chargers around Yellowstone. Running out of gas, like running out of charge, is 100% poor planning.

 

[06 Dodge]

$1500-$2000 every year and a half up here. A minor expense in the world of new vehicle affordability. EVs don’t chew up tires because of weight. EVs have massive instantaneous torque so your right foot is directly responsible for tire life.

If people choose to rent in a place without proper plugs, that’s their problem. Get your ducks in a row financially before buying a horrible depreciating asset like a new car.

Nobody’s comparing a half ton ev to a one ton diesel. You leave your home everyday with a full tank. Also, anyone with a wife, girlfriend, or children will never just be at a gas station for 5 minutes during a road trip… you’ll also never synchronize everyone’s bladder to make more than 200miles.

Friends don’t let friends buy Fords. Sorry for her luck. There’s also plenty of chargers around Yellowstone. Running out of gas, like running out of charge, is 100% poor planning.View attachment 557580

BTW the 5 minutes is max time to fill the tank, luck to have a wife that does not need to stop 2-3 hr's, we normally go 6 hours between stops, shortest is 4 hr's, when traveling long distance on average we are in and out of a fuel stop in 15 minutes or less, if we don't like what we have in the ice chest then add 10 minutes to get fast food.

 

[star_deceiver]

we normally go 6 hours between stops.

Man, I wish! It’s not a road trip if we don’t stop at random freeway exits in the middle of nowhere or the sketchiest of Portland convenience stores because ‘she of little bladder’ needs to stop.

 

[Docwagon1776]

Nobody’s comparing a half ton ev to a one ton diesel. You leave your home everyday with a full tank. Also, anyone with a wife, girlfriend, or children will never just be at a gas station for 5 minutes during a road trip… you’ll also never synchronize everyone’s bladder to make more than 200miles.

Sounds like a painful AF road trip. We routinely did 8-10 hours with 2 stops family trips.

You can use the bathroom at places you can't get fuel, and it's often preferable. Now that it's just my wife and I, we'll stop at eat lunch at a park or something (camp stove, food in a cooler to cook), use the bathroom at a Starbucks or somewhere clean, get fuel *if we need to* then get back on the road.

Our last big road trip included a lot of rural South and North Dakota. Fuel economy took a real hit with huge wind gusts, headwinds gusting near 50mph. There's no fuel stations handy for long stretches of road, let alone charging stations. Jerry cans let me extend the range of my truck, no equivalent for EVs.

I'm not anti-EV, I can see one as a second or third car, but it's kind of pants-on-head silly to try and overlook the extra logistical requirements for road tripping one, the lack of flexibility in route planning and stops, etc. I'm not a connect-the-dots road trip guy.

 

[Pull Ya]

Prior planning would be combining your pee stops, recharge stops, and lunch breaks all at the same time and place. Who'd of thought???? LOL-
Jay

 

[AleYeah]

Not sure I'll ever be in the market for a new truck again. I sold a Titan back in 2014 and only started shopping for another truck this year. I didn't care about bells and whistles, just a solid truck for "truck stuff". Even so, it took me a few months to find one close by that fit this criteria:
* Hemi
* <75k miles
* <$25k (I paid $22.5k for my Ram with 68kish miles.)
* Not black/white/grey/silver/red. (Red because I already have a red Jeep, the others because I just don't like them.)

In a few years I hope to upgrade to a nicer truck, but I doubt seriously it will be a new one. I only paid $114k for my first house. Not sure my brain will allow me to pay more for a vehicle than I did for a dwelling!

 

[NCRaineman]

In a few years I hope to upgrade to a nicer truck, but I doubt seriously it will be a new one. I only paid $114k for my first house. Not sure my brain will allow me to pay more for a vehicle than I did for a dwelling!

Not to mention you likely financed your first house for 20 years. Sadly I think that's what banks are going to end up having to do if the price trend continues. People cannot afford $1000/mo payments.

 

[turkeybird56]

Not sure I'll ever be in the market for a new truck again. I sold a Titan back in 2014 and only started shopping for another truck this year. I didn't care about bells and whistles, just a solid truck for "truck stuff". Even so, it took me a few months to find one close by that fit this criteria:
* Hemi
* <75k miles
* <$25k (I paid $22.5k for my Ram with 68kish miles.)
* Not black/white/grey/silver/red. (Red because I already have a red Jeep, the others because I just don't like them.)

In a few years I hope to upgrade to a nicer truck, but I doubt seriously it will be a new one. I only paid $114k for my first house. Not sure my brain will allow me to pay more for a vehicle than I did for a dwelling!

Yeah I signed on dotted line for my place in 94 for $81,600, paying astronomical numbers for a truck just not work. and FTR, I am old wore out retired blue collar worker, who has that type of money unless somebody has (6) Lottery numbers that work and wanna share, LOL.

ADDED: Not gonna use the never word, BUT I sure as heck not care for any Covid built trucks or thereafter, LOL. Seems like the Phrase QC and PRIDE in yer work went away like ""perestroika and glasnost"".

 

[NCRaineman]

ADDED: Not gonna use the never word, BUT I sure as heck not care for any Covid built trucks or thereafter, LOL. Seems like the Phrase QC and PRIDE in yer work went away like ""perestroika and glasnost"".

Quality has definitely taken a dive since 2020. Workforce issues. Supply chain issues. If buying used I sure wouldn't look at any 20's or 21's.

 

[turkeybird56]

Quality has definitely taken a dive since 2020. Workforce issues. Supply chain issues. If buying used I sure wouldn't look at any 20's or 21's.

I would not get anything past 19 Build year. AFTA that, COVID BS.

 

[Dave2015Hemi]

Can't afford Ram anymore, had 3 and the latest prices I saw (while at the dealer for Service) are now way out of my price range, Used to buy new every 3 years or so, good job no issues with expected price increases, but now way out of reach for the working man.

Yup in the same boat here. My 2015 was going to be my last truck so I took care of it but #3 lobe gone now after 10 years and 13 grand total for an engine replacement is too much. Back in the old days in Central NY I could take it to a few different garages and they'd take the engine out, take it to a local shop to be rebuilt like I did to my F150 and a few weeks later be all done. Now in North Carolina there are no good places like that only bigtime Nascar race shop builders at big bucks. I just found a beautiful 2017 RAM like mine but they want 23 for it which is not too bad with 100,000 miles but turns out it's actually from Canada! Spent time there then it went to the US and down to Arkansaw and somehow now it's in NC and they won't budge on price even with a tweaked rear bumper. It does sound nice with no exhaust tick or Hemi tick but I just found another 2017 with 85,000 miles for $21,000 so tomorrow I will check that out. Dealers look at you with a straight face thinking 50 grand or more is no big deal and just bring them a check. Lots of trucks will be sitting for a long time now... A friend is going to give me 6 grand for mine but he has money and a big garage to drop another engine in it this summer.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=USED&distance=100&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&zip=28079&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d2110&shopByTypes=MIX&sortDir=ASC&sortType=BEST_MATCH&isDeliveryEnabled=true#listing=394497837/NONE/DEFAULT

 

[Pull Ya]

IMHO--Until there is a substantial price reduction in the new trucks, I agree, new trucks will be sitting on the dealer lots for a long time. They have priced the new trucks out of reach of most blue-collar customers. Very few people can afford the high payments. It really does make more sense to repair your existing vehicle. Sadly, "if" they reduce the price of the new trucks, they will also reduce the trade-in value of your trade-in. A catch 22----pay now or pay later--
Jay

 

[Docwagon1776]

Yup in the same boat here. My 2015 was going to be my last truck so I took care of it but #3 lobe gone now after 10 years and 13 grand total for an engine replacement is too much. Back in the old days in Central NY I could take it to a few different garages and they'd take the engine out, take it to a local shop to be rebuilt like I did to my F150 and a few weeks later be all done. Now in North Carolina there are no good places like that only bigtime Nascar race shop builders at big bucks. I just found a beautiful 2017 RAM like mine but they want 23 for it which is not too bad with 100,000 miles but turns out it's actually from Canada! Spent time there then it went to the US and down to Arkansaw and somehow now it's in NC and they won't budge on price even with a tweaked rear bumper. It does sound nice with no exhaust tick or Hemi tick but I just found another 2017 with 85,000 miles for $21,000 so tomorrow I will check that out. Dealers look at you with a straight face thinking 50 grand or more is no big deal and just bring them a check. Lots of trucks will be sitting for a long time now... A friend is going to give me 6 grand for mine but he has money and a big garage to drop another engine in it this summer.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=USED&distance=100&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&zip=28079&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d2110&shopByTypes=MIX&sortDir=ASC&sortType=BEST_MATCH&isDeliveryEnabled=true#listing=394497837/NONE/DEFAULT

Can't find a low milage used one?