oil deal

[U&A]

When Pennzoil went to GTL or "Gas to Lube" formulation, the Ultra became their Ultra Platinum line. When you find any 0W-40 Ultra laying around, it is just a couple year old stock but still meets the MS-12633 spec you need. I believe even the SKU's between them are the same.

soo wait a second.

their old version of "Ultra 0W-40" is the same as the new "Ultra Platinum 0W-40" but.. the new "ultra" doesn't meet the requirements or is not even made in 0W-40?

 

[Hootbro]

soo wait a second.

their old version of "Ultra 0W-40" is the same as the new "Ultra Platinum 0W-40" but.. the new "ultra" doesn't meet the requirements or is not even made in 0W-40?

You are getting confused.

Around 2013 when the MS-12633 spec came out to support the then 6.4 SRT motor and would also later be the same spec for the ram 6.4 motor in 2014, Pennzoil released their 0W-40 Ultra to support this.

Around late 2014 or early 2015, Pennzoil across their whole synthetic line, went to a gas to lube or "GTL" formulation and in the case of 0W-40, retained the same MS-12633 spec and changed the name from Ultra to "Ultra-Platnium".

Either one meets the same MS-12633 specification in 0W-40 and are considered "fit, form & function" interchangeable. That is why IIRC, they had the same SKU's and when found on the shelf at Autozone and from the couple of orders I placed through Pepboy's, I actually got a mixed of the older Ultra only bottles and some of the newer Ultra-Platnium bottles.

 

[U&A]

sorry for the confusion.

 

[Hootbro]

sorry for the confusion.

If you want to be really confused, 6.4 RAM engine was designed and durability tested with 5W-30 oil in mind. For whatever reason, the 0W-40 would make it into the manual as being what is recommended.

Here is a video discussing it by the RAM brand marketing head and RAM chief engineer. Still follow the owners manual. Just something to make you think.

https://youtu.be/6jGrVeqE3JI?t=13m42s

 

[U&A]

If you want to be really confused, 6.4 RAM engine was designed and durability tested with 5W-30 oil in mind. For whatever reason, the 0W-40 would make it into the manual as being what is recommended.

Here is a video discussing it by the RAM brand marketing head and RAM chief engineer. Still follow the owners manual. Just something to make you think.

https://youtu.be/6jGrVeqE3JI?t=13m42s

 

[U&A]

If you want to be really confused, 6.4 RAM engine was designed and durability tested with 5W-30 oil in mind. For whatever reason, the 0W-40 would make it into the manual as being what is recommended.

Here is a video discussing it by the RAM brand marketing head and RAM chief engineer. Still follow the owners manual. Just something to make you think.

https://youtu.be/6jGrVeqE3JI?t=13m42s

this is absurd. he says you cans use conventional 5w-30..? but we are REQUIRED to adhere to our Manuel. sooooo? when i use 5w-30 and my MDS malfunctions and needs warranty work (or anything for that matter) do i tell them that the chief engineer said i could on a youtube video?

 

[Hootbro]

this is absurd. he says you cans use conventional 5w-30..? but we are REQUIRED to adhere to our Manuel. sooooo? when i use 5w-30 and my MDS malfunctions and needs warranty work (or anything for that matter) do i tell them that the chief engineer said i could on a youtube video?

It's controversial but the owners manual trumps all and should always be what is followed.

I have posted that video in other like discussions and some think they do not know what they are talking about but I personally believe the guy that 5W-30 was used and for whatever reason, a last minute change to the 0W-40 spec in the manual was made.

I have had oil analysis of both the factory fill and two oil changes with the Ultra 0W-40 and find it is on the lower end of the 40W scale and shears down into a thick 30W in use. So that makes me believe they did use 5W-30 and found it satisfactory.

The main thing with Pennzoil MS-12633 and even the AMSOIL offering claiming to meet MS-12633, is that these oils are higher in molybdenum when compared to standard 5W-30. So there is some technical reason for it.

In some threads showing cam failures on the 5.7 Hemi, a common theme was the use of low or no molybdenum oils like Valvoline were exclusively used before the failures. I think the high moly content of the MS-12633 0W-40 oils is to alleviate that issue with the 6.4. That is just speculation on my part though.

Once I am out of warranty, I will probably migrate to a 5W-30 synthetic oil but it will be one with a decent moly content.

 

[U&A]

It's controversial but the owners manual trumps all and should always be what is followed.

I have posted that video in other like discussions and some think they do not know what they are talking about but I personally believe the guy that 5W-30 was used and for whatever reason, a last minute change to the 0W-40 spec in the manual was made.

I have had oil analysis of both the factory fill and two oil changes with the Ultra 0W-40 and find it is on the lower end of the 40W scale and shears down into a thick 30W in use. So that makes me believe they did use 5W-30 and found it satisfactory.

The main thing with Pennzoil MS-12633 and even the AMSOIL offering claiming to meet MS-12633, is that these oils are higher in molybdenum when compared to standard 5W-30. So there is some technical reason for it.

In some threads showing cam failures on the 5.7 Hemi, a common theme was the use of low or no molybdenum oils like Valvoline were exclusively used before the failures. I think the high moly content of the MS-12633 0W-40 oils is to alleviate that issue with the 6.4. That is just speculation on my part though.

Once I am out of warranty, I will probably migrate to a 5W-30 synthetic oil but it will be one with a decent moly content.

sounds good to me

just a question for you. After warranty is up you want t to switch to a 5w-30 that has a higher moly content...so why not stay with the recommended oil that is basically a thick 30w and has that high moly you are looking for?

 

[Hootbro]

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just a question for you. After warranty is up you want t to switch to a 5w-30 that has a higher moly content...so why not stay with the recommended oil that is basically a thick 30w and has that high moly you are looking for?

For the same reasons you have inquired about, cost and availability. I think the Ultra-Platnium 0w-40 is a great oil regardless and would continue to buy it if found on sale and relatively cheap. Just when Iam out of warranty, I am not gonna sweat it as much.

There is already a few users around here that have said "fu*k it" and are running the Mobil 0W-40 and some running synthetic 5W-40 with no problems.

I got 5 years or 100K to figure it out and will probably change my mind numerous times before then. You 2016+ guys got hosed with with 60K warranty and will be there sooner.

 

[U&A]

For the same reasons you have inquired about, cost and availability. I think the Ultra-Platnium 0w-40 is a great oil regardless and would continue to buy it if found on sale and relatively cheap. Just when Iam out of warranty, I am not gonna sweat it as much.

There is already a few users around here that have said "fu*k it" and are running the Mobil 0W-40 and some running synthetic 5W-40 with no problems.

I got 5 years or 100K to figure it out and will probably change my mind numerous times before then. You 2016+ guys got hosed with with 60K warranty and will be there sooner.

Just making sure there wasn't any other reason

true but i honestly didn't care to much about what the warranty was. yes its something to consider for sure, still would have bought it with even less warranty though. Just MO

 

[MN-Ram]

I bet the engineers used 5w-30 in the testing for the same reason we are looking for alternatives to the 0w-40. They couldn't find any to use. I have gone to Amsoil with the 6 month free membership to get the discount on oil. I bought 2 cases of oil and a premium oil filter for $234 shipped to my door. It will get me 3.5 oil changes (I will have to get 2 more filters,but those are available) for less than the dealer charges. They want $90 + tax.

I have a lifetime powertrain warranty so I will be using the specified oil for a long time. It's a small price to pay for warranty coverage.