Payload Question

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Wallyb4

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Thanks 392 DevilDog. I think it is funny how they changed the passenger weight from 150 in 2014 to 300 in 2019. Also thanks for the info I found the site and looked up my trucks info.
 

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Thanks 392 DevilDog. I think it is funny how they changed the passenger weight from 150 in 2014 to 300 in 2019. Also thanks for the info I found the site and looked up my trucks info.
They used to just do driver at 150. Now it is driver/passenger 300.

This has to do with figuring the max tow number. Nothing else.

And the max tow number is unattainable. Because everyone carries more than 300lbs. I am 310 dressed to drive myself.

Gross axle ratings. Gross vehicle rating and gross combined rating. A scaled truck...or use the payload to do the math for base weight

When people get the max tow number from the website for a 1500 it is just GCWR minus base weight. So. No driver or hitch. In case one does not know. You need atleast a driver and a hitch to tow a trailer.

The HeftyDuty number...sometimes has the 300 and hitch...sometimes doesn't.

But ultimately...after you buy the truck...all those payload and max tow numbers mean nothing.

You are not to exceed GVWR GAWR or GCWR.

Me personally. I have no issue with ignoring payload all together. It means nothing anyways once you add mud flaps or side steps or tool box or bigger tires any ways.

I go to a scale with a full tank of gas and get my GVW and both GAW.

Then I know what I am dealing with. We have 2 growing kids. So every time we get in the truck the weight is more.

Sometimes we take nothing. Sometimes I have a load of wood, kayaks bikes and toys.

GCWR is going to be able to be exceeded if you live in flat land. You may want to be under GCWR if in the Mountains.

If you read the SAE J2807 you will see that GCWR on a grade the truck only has to maintain 45 mph. So if you are one of the I got to go 80 everywhere...you may want to be under.

You can overload your rear axle without being over GVWR. And you can be over GVWR but still under GAWR.

Scale the truck. Scale the rig. Scale the set up.

If you are looking to buy. Understand that the numbers they give are for an ideal setup with just a driver and hitch with 10% tongue weight.

Then remember the driver and hitch are not included and a travel trailer will have 15%~tongue weight and a 5th wheel 20%~ TW.

FORGET ABOUT ALLOWANCES.
 

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yup here is an example. I still have almost 2000lbs more weight that can be added to my rear axle and 130lbs to the front but I am over my gvwr of 8565.
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It depends on how you do the math. When he says subtract it, he means subtract it from the remaining available payload weight.
I hear what you're saying but that's not the case. Payload is determined in part by curb weight of the vehicle. The curb vehicle weight is the weight of the vehicle with all of it's fluids at full capacity. I've also confirmed this with Ram.
 

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GVWR 10000
Front GAWR 5500
Rear GAWR 6500
GCWR 19800
Payload 2998 Towing 12798
Base weight 7002
Front base 4061
Rear base 2941

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So. See what I mean. That towing number. It is without a driver and a hitch.

19800 minus 7002 equals 12798.

The numbers mean **** once you load your truck.
 

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You don't subtract the weight of gas from anything, at anytime. You never worry about it, just like you never worry about the weight of your oil or your rad fluid or your transmission fluid.

This was explained so clearly in multiple posts above you; payload has nothing to do with gas. It's everything else you add; people, cargo, stuff in your bed, and the weight of and on your hitch.
You are correct. I was not talking to the gas weight point, but rather to the point of it being "just the opposite" math-wise.
 

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The only way to hit gross trailer weight, without exceeding rear axle rating, is with a gooseneck equipment trailer properly loaded over the trailer axles. That was true for my 1500, 2500 and now my 3500.
 

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The only way to hit gross trailer weight, without exceeding rear axle rating, is with a gooseneck equipment trailer properly loaded over the trailer axles. That was true for my 1500, 2500 and now my 3500.
Agreed. My step-son has a 2020 Tundra with a max tow of 9800lbs. His new 2021 Grand Design Imagine 3250BH weighed 9300lbs on the CAT scales with 1100lbs tongue weight. I towed it home from the dealership with my 2500 but he towed it to his campground with his truck. He weighed it too. He was under his max tow by 500lbs he was over his GRAWR by 160lbs

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