Synthetic Oil

[Burla]

I have yet to see 5w20 have the same noack as 5w30 when you are taking about 6 and lower noacks. If I was interested or concerned I would investigate farther, but since redline has proven itself past the stat sheets to be honest just useless numbers at this point. next time I email Dave I will ask

 

[Hemi395]

I don't think so, maybe the pdf is a mistake.

Or they retested it again?

 

[Hemi395]

Edit, nevermind I misread it, it says it shows up as 800ppm zddp

 

[Burla]

Maybe the PDF was written by pr guy at Phillips instead of oil guys at redline?

 

[Hemi395]

Seeing as my last uoa showed 1200ppm of zinc.......

 

[Travis8352]

Breaking News, Redline High Performance line NOACKS have dropped lower, now 5w30 noack 4 pdf. 5w20 redline now has a noack of 4 as well, I have a hard time believing this because the hths is the same as before. I wonder if they were this low all along to be honest. Website still has old noacks, not sure it really matters for our purposes.

Pour points have also changed... 0w20 is -53 0w30 is -54 they both used to be -76. 5w20 and 5w30 are the same however at -49. Also 0w16 i dont recall them making that before. Now the lowesr pour point is their 0w40 at -76. I believe they reformulated as the api service class is sp/sn+ correct me if im wrong i believe it used to be just sn correct? Even if its not api certified maybe they are trying to formulate with an sp style add pack (less zinc, phosphorus, and calcium with more magnesium) we know they have been making small changes over the years with lower moly (~600-~400)


EDIT i looked a little more and saw the 0 wt oils are sp/sn+ and 5w20 and 5w30 are still sn

 

[Hemi395]

Oh yeah didn't see the 0w16....

 

[Hemi395]

Pour points have also changed... 0w20 is -53 0w30 is -54 they both used to be -76. 5w20 and 5w30 are the same however at -49. Also 0w16 i dont recall them making that before. Now the lowesr pour point is their 0w40 at -76. I believe they reformulated as the api service class is sp/sn+ correct me if im wrong i believe it used to be just sn correct? Even if its not api certified maybe they are trying to formulate with an sp style add pack (less zinc, phosphorus, and calcium with more magnesium) we know they have been making small changes over the years with lower moly (~600-~400)


EDIT i looked a little more and saw the 0 wt oils are sp/sn+ and 5w20 and 5w30 are still sn

They changed 0w30 too, the CST is below 11 now....

 

[HEMIMANN]

Seeing as my last uoa showed 1200ppm of zinc.......

Lookat the UOA I just posted in Blackstone. Full of zinc and moly

Blackstone - used oil analysis

The consensus speaks, and I concur, M1 FS 0W40 for the next OCI, and I'll use a RP 20-820 oil filter, too. I'll run that to an 8,000Km's OCI and send out a sample to Blackstone. Thanks, All. Should be interesting to see what it comes back with.

www.ramforum.com

 

[Travis8352]

They changed 0w30 too, the CST is below 11 now....

I bet their slowly reformulating... should still be fantastic considering the noack is 4...

 

[Burla]

I dont like this at all..

 

[Hemi395]

I dont like this at all..

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What does the "TD" stand for??

 

[Burla]

ok, I guess I will have to email dave and find out wtf

 

[Burla]

What does the "TD" stand for??

i imagine turbo diesel and one has to wonder why not to that to HP line. I really dont know though, just a guess/ just confusing to have that garbage look close to HP.

 

[Hemi395]

Depending on his response I may stock up on 0w30. Or try a longer run on Amsoil 0w40...

 

[Burla]

what else should I ask, I have not sent it yet, Ill send it in 30 minutes? anyone have another question for dave?

Dave I had a question, is redline's formula changing? There is a catalog out that shows noacks dropped, cst on 0w30 is different, and some formulas that are sn+ and SP. The reason I ask is because many people are nervous as this current formula has alleviated ticking conditions in a lot of hemis. Will Moly levels and ester/pao mix stay the same on 5w30, 0w30, and 5w20?

 

[Hemi395]

That basically covers my concerns

 

[Burla]

ill just send that then

 

[Rod Knock]

To me it looks like an improvement:



The Professional Series is just Kendall lubes. They aren't bad, but not worth the price premium, I'd rather pay for the HP series of oils.

@Hemi395 thank you for the explanation, looks like it came from the factory that way. I would give Red Line 0W-40 or Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 a try in the cold. More like Red Line 0W-40 because it has like 11%~12% VI, so it will act as a cushion when that piston starts going crazy inside the bore. Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 has like 8.5% VI, and 0W-20 oils have almost no VI at all, even those made by other manufacturers. Because that oil is so thin and is already subjected to heat and fuel dilution, no manufacturer wants to be liable if it damages your engine, so everyone is trying to use good base stocks for 0W-20. Sadly, that doesn't help you. Red Line 5W-30 has like 4%~5% of VI, so it doesn't help in the cold.

Something funny I found on YouTube, watch these two videos, lol:

5.7 hemi piston slap ? here is what my hemi sounds like with REDLINE OIL 5W30 cold weather

there is a bunch of forums talk about running a redline oil 5w30 on cold weather and having a piston slip on cold startups , here is my truck how it sounds l...

www.youtube.com

why i DUMP the REDLINE OIL 5W30 at ONLY 1k miles I WAS WRONG my hemi was not happy

ok here is why I was wrong about the redline oil 5w30 and I have to change the oil at last than 1000 miles I went back to my very favorite oil of all times P...

www.youtube.com

 

[ramffml]

5.7 hemi piston slap ? here is what my hemi sounds like with REDLINE OIL 5W30 cold weather

there is a bunch of forums talk about running a redline oil 5w30 on cold weather and having a piston slip on cold startups , here is my truck how it sounds l...

www.youtube.com

why i DUMP the REDLINE OIL 5W30 at ONLY 1k miles I WAS WRONG my hemi was not happy

ok here is why I was wrong about the redline oil 5w30 and I have to change the oil at last than 1000 miles I went back to my very favorite oil of all times P...

www.youtube.com

That actually confirms my suspision; my truck "tugs" more when going in/out of MDS with RL 5w-30 than it did with RL 5w-20. Probably due to the thicker viscosity, but since I disable MDS all the time anyway I couldn't care less.