Synthetic Oil

[skates15]

Yep, the tranny heater bypass valve is the "bomb", thanks to Jesse(@caulk04) ...

why the " bomb"?

 

[JHoward]

why the " bomb"?

Dude man, that means "fantastic"! Lol ...

 

[JHoward]

why the " bomb"?

Best mod I've done for my HEMI powered RAM ...

 

[Tom57]

In every metropolitan area of the country there are independent refineries that use the SAME base oil that produce multiple different brands of motor oil.
No matter what brand except a few handful of brands are mixed - refined locally using 99% SAME base oil ( different parts of the country may use a different base oil such as Texas crude, middle east crude or California type - but basically in the area of the county you live no matter what name brand of oil you get it's the SAME base oil.
99% same base oil, the local refinery chemist will mix in the 1% different additives for different brands, they even mix in different colors as needed.
The same local refinery may produce Walmart brand oil on a Monday and Pennzoil on a Tuesday on the same assembly line using 99% of the same base oil. This is done to save high shipping and transportation charges - it's too costly to produce motor oil in Texas and truck freight it to New York where a local refinery in New Jersey can produce the same brand name the Texas refinery produces.
The base oil is transported all over the country thru a pipeline .
I understand everyone is loyal to their favorite brands but 99% of the oil is the same as most all other brands.
On the east coast most synthetics are made from natural gas and on the Gulf coast they are made from heavy crude because natural gas and crude is locally available
It's a little complicated but you get my point - so maybe that Walmart brand motor oil is the same as Pennzoil on the east coast and that Walmart brand sold in Arkansas is the same as Shell brand made on the gulf coast
Think of it this way - there are 3 different base oils in the U.S. depending on what part of the country you live - I know a secret - I know which one of these base oils are the best but I'm not going to tell you cause I don't want to get into a fight cause I understand you're very loyal to your favorite brands.
When you follow "Bob The Oil Guy" or watch YouTube videos of motor oil testing you're being duped cause they don't test different samples from all over the country that will test differently.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Of course rock catcher oil filters sound better. They're not filtering.

 

[skates15]

Dude man, that means "fantastic"! Lol ...

Ah, okay. I've not heard that in a long time.

 

[hemihustlin]

I read the label in YOUR photos. It showed equivalency between that oil you bought and Mercon5 among others. All the current fluids are synthetic. Anti shudder, anti foaming, among other additives are the distinguishing aspects of a particular fluid application to a manufacturer's guidelines.. If you are wanting to be diligent, why not buy genuine Mopar fluid emblazoned with that particular registered trademark? Just asking! Peace!

recommended for does not mean equivalency. a mercon v spec oil, well its intended to go in fords. their mandate ends there. maxlife was designed to go into many makes, and i believe its a superior oil to just merc v or dex vi et cetra.
a few years ago when i was working in a light duty garage we bought maxlife by the 55 gallon drum and put it in everything that was "recommended for" on the spec sheet, and the bosses whole fleet of dodges, and it was always a great oil, no comebacks.

im no stickler for mopar branded fluids. the price on zf 8 speed fluid is obnoxious and its easy to find equivalent fluids for much, much cheaper.
in fact i was more than ready to run the maxlife in the 8 speed even with no official valvoline recommendation, i was already planning on it when when i bought the truck new haha
i was just suprised to see it now marked on the bottle.

 

[Hemi395]

In every metropolitan area of the country there are independent refineries that use the SAME base oil that produce multiple different brands of motor oil.
No matter what brand except a few handful of brands are mixed - refined locally using 99% SAME base oil ( different parts of the country may use a different base oil such as Texas crude, middle east crude or California type - but basically in the area of the county you live no matter what name brand of oil you get it's the SAME base oil.
99% same base oil, the local refinery chemist will mix in the 1% different additives for different brands, they even mix in different colors as needed.
The same local refinery may produce Walmart brand oil on a Monday and Pennzoil on a Tuesday on the same assembly line using 99% of the same base oil. This is done to save high shipping and transportation charges - it's too costly to produce motor oil in Texas and truck freight it to New York where a local refinery in New Jersey can produce the same brand name the Texas refinery produces.
The base oil is transported all over the country thru a pipeline .
I understand everyone is loyal to their favorite brands but 99% of the oil is the same as most all other brands.
On the east coast most synthetics are made from natural gas and on the Gulf coast they are made from heavy crude because natural gas and crude is locally available
It's a little complicated but you get my point - so maybe that Walmart brand motor oil is the same as Pennzoil on the east coast and that Walmart brand sold in Arkansas is the same as Shell brand made on the gulf coast
Think of it this way - there are 3 different base oils in the U.S. depending on what part of the country you live - I know a secret - I know which one of these base oils are the best but I'm not going to tell you cause I don't want to get into a fight cause I understand you're very loyal to your favorite brands.
When you follow "Bob The Oil Guy" or watch YouTube videos of motor oil testing you're being duped cause they don't test different samples from all over the country that will test differently.

So.........you have potentially good info on which base oil is best but you won't share?

Cool bro.

 

[tjfdesmo]

Sorta...

 

[JHoward]

Sorta...

Looks like someone might be trying to "pull an rabbit outta the hat" ...?

 

[Tom57]

So.........you have potentially good info on which base oil is best but you won't share?

Cool bro.

I tell you the facts. I know cause I independently service refinery accounts. I know how passionate everyone is on their brand loyalty and I don't want to cause fights.
If you study service and repair data you'll see a difference on a higher percentage of engine failures (blamed on oil issues) in certain areas of the country that seems to relate to the base oil location, and other areas of the county there isn't as many of the same engine failures based on the same vehicle - it's complicated ! Some blame it on the gasoline mix, different climate, or the type of driving habits, and even the condition of the roads, but I say it seems to correlate to the different base oils being used. It's my theory and my opinion - I can't prove it but how else would you explain it?
Make your own judgement on what type and brand of motor oil you use - but be very susceptible what the experts say ( including me ) but generally stick to the brand or type of oil that served you well in the past.

 

[JHoward]

I tell you the facts. I know cause I independently service refinery accounts. I know how passionate everyone is on their brand loyalty and I don't want to cause fights.
If you study service and repair data you'll see a difference on a higher percentage of engine failures (blamed on oil issues) in certain areas of the country that seems to relate to the base oil location, and other areas of the county there isn't as many of the same engine failures based on the same vehicle - it's complicated ! Some blame it on the gasoline mix, different climate, or the type of driving habits, and even the condition of the roads, but I say it seems to correlate to the different base oils being used. It's my theory and my opinion - I can't prove it but how else would you explain it?
Make your own judgement on what type and brand of motor oil you use - but be very susceptible what the experts say ( including me ) but generally stick to the brand or type of oil that served you well in the past.

The 3rd Gen Eagle HEMI engine (~2009 to present) has an "oil design flaw", meaning oil deprivation due to VVT/MDS for the fake sake of achieving acceptable EPA ratings.

That is in short, the cam being farther from the crank and isn't getting enough oil splash to the lifters, especially at idle ... hence, why this thread exists, the use of higher oils with molybdenum/zinc to help reduce the possibility of lifter/cam failures and not specific in operating locale or certain motor oil brand loyalty.

I'm not debating or arguing the point about the specifics of oils from certain manufacturing across the spectrum having different results due to oil manufacturing local, but rather, the HEMI engine is known to have potential failure numbers across an large spectrum where they operate, is irrelevant to where an oil is manufactured/blended.

So, in short and simplicity, this thread is about how folks have achieved success with synthetic oils in general with an higher than average molybdenum/zddp, other than from those off the shelf oils, that'll help to reduce the "HEMI tick monster" from rearing it's ugly head.

Jm2¢

 

[MOPAR TECH]

DODGE RECOMMENDS Pennzoil FOR ENGINES

 

[White six four]

DODGE RECOMMENDS Pennzoil FOR ENGINES

Not trying to sound like a **** but I think most of the people here know what stellantis wants you to use. You can go by the owners manual or you can do some reading/research. I for one will not go back to pup in my 6.4. Redline or possibly hpl from now on.

I do run pup in my work beater and wife's Suburban though since walmart has a great deal on 3 gallons for like $8x.

I hope you also don't fall for the "lifetime" transmission fluid bs if you have the 8 speed.

 

[BenWade]

Not trying to sound like a **** but I think most of the people here know what stellantis wants you to use. You can go by the owners manual or you can do some reading/research. I for one will not go back to pup in my 6.4. Redline or possibly hpl from now on.

I do run pup in my work beater and wife's Suburban though since walmart has a great deal on 3 gallons for like $8x.

I hope you also don't fall for the "lifetime" transmission fluid bs if you have the 8 speed.

What's wrong with PUP in the 6.4??

 

[ramffml]

DODGE RECOMMENDS Pennzoil FOR ENGINES

Well good thing I don't drive a dodge so there's that

 

[tjfdesmo]

What's wrong with PUP in the 6.4??

My 2015 was, at best, generally noisy on it, and within 1-2K miles, sometimes less, would start ticking pretty badly.

 

[White six four]

What's wrong with PUP in the 6.4??

It ran fine in mine. My uncle runs it in his 6.4 ram 3500. I always based the "loudness" of my motor off his. Which they both sounded the same even with me using lubegard. With redline in mine it is very noticeably quieter then his is now. His also has half the miles on it. I almost couldn't believe how much quieter it was the first time I put in redline.

If my truck was my daily driver I possibly would go back to pup with lubegard because of the price difference, but it's not. I also don't ever plan on buying anything newer so I'm trying to do everything I can to make it last.

 

[HEMIMANN]

DODGE RECOMMENDS Pennzoil FOR ENGINES

Surely not because Fiat was in cahoots with Royal Dutch Shell. Heaven forbid!

And don't call me Shirley.

 

[Hemi395]

Surely not because Fiat was in cahoots with Royal Dutch Shell. Heaven forbid!

Beat me to it lol