Synthetic Oil

[Wild one]

Really dating myself,but i'm old enough to remember when it was fairly common practice to dump a quart or 2 of Diesal in and then run the engine very easy for maybe 20 to 30 miles ,then dump the oil and filter.
Still wonder if it might not be a bad idea yet.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Really dating myself,but i'm old enough to remember when it was fairly common practice to dump a quart or 2 of Diesal in and then run the engine very easy for maybe 20 to 30 miles ,then dump the oil and filter.
Still wonder if it might not be a bad idea yet.

Also transmission oil, or MMO.

This was a thing in the 2000's with GM's AFM cold-sticking piston rings in the 4 shutdown cylinders.
I had one of those, and with synthetic oil they stuck ~ 70k miles and turned the engine into an oil pumper. It pumped a quart per 1,000 miles out the exhaust after using none prior, per dipstick levels. I tossed in some ATF and it cleaned enough to near stop oil consumption.

Those using mineral oil reported oil pumping starting ~ 30k miles.

That's when I dumped my Chevy and got 2012 Ram. Then I found out about cam failures.

 

[Burla]

Really dating myself,but i'm old enough to remember when it was fairly common practice to dump a quart or 2 of Diesal in and then run the engine very easy for maybe 20 to 30 miles ,then dump the oil and filter.
Still wonder if it might not be a bad idea yet.

well I wouldnt want my crank sitting in oil on start, but other then that, it just goes to show you most applications are that forgiving. I do believe you can run used oil in a diesel as fuel if you warm it first, so yeah. Many of the additives that are "enzyme" additives for diesel and gas are just kerosene, and kerosene is very close to diesel, so there ya go. I would expect a very gentle cleaning if this was the move. As for transmission fluid that has been debunked as a cleaner, but usually especially back in the day where much thinner, so it would make an engine hum and bit better. But guys still swear by it so no harm no foul. But as we know hemi's need a real strategy with real science if you want real benefits, but those old engines smoke and mirrors were fun toys.

 

[Hemi395]

Found the R&P SDS, looks like G3 oil to me...

 

[Hemi395]

However the specs are a bit better than plain G3...

US_Val_RestoreProtect_0W20_MO_EN.pdf - Docusign CLM

sharena21.springcm.com

 

[Burla]

The TRUTH About Valvoline's BOLD Engine Cleaning Claims

Valvoline claims "Restore & Protect returns pistons to factory clean by removing up to 100% of deposits when used as directed," so 5,000 miles ago I put Valv...

youtu.be

INSIDE Valvoline's SECRET R&D Laboratory to UNCOVER the TRUTH

Every engine begins building up deposits the moment it starts up for the first time. Deposits in the piston ring grooves can negatively affect the performanc...

youtu.be

16 minute mark, the old restore had a lot of ester. So look up the old restore product to see if ester in SDS? I still think it is ester, maybe less of it? He even brought up ester in redline with uoa showing it 17.40 mark. This is how autorx works, very slowly and is ester cleaner. You see the evidence of it working on the dip stick, actually turns gunk to ash and it shows up on dip stick.

Burlas guess = ester, but they admit it is proprietary and they ain't gonna tell us.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Magic Mouse Milk! (an old phrase @ Mobil for such mystery elixirs)

 

[Burla]

Magic Mouse Milk! (an old phrase @ Mobil for such mystery elixirs)

someone liked that name, chuckles.

I cant say the name moves me to action, maybe if they would have added the word magic or unicorn?

 

[HEMIMANN]

Well, that was 35 years ago...

 

[CanuckRam1313]

Also transmission oil, or MMO.

This was a thing in the 2000's with GM's AFM cold-sticking piston rings in the 4 shutdown cylinders.
I had one of those, and with synthetic oil they stuck ~ 70k miles and turned the engine into an oil pumper. It pumped a quart per 1,000 miles out the exhaust after using none prior, per dipstick levels. I tossed in some ATF and it cleaned enough to near stop oil consumption.

Those using mineral oil reported oil pumping starting ~ 30k miles.

That's when I dumped my Chevy and got 2012 Ram. Then I found out about cam failures.

I recall vividly back in the day when my best bud's dad used to put his 66' Monaco ragtop away for winter storage...
(He put a 440 crank and 440 heads on his 383 and tickled up the 727TF trans, and straight duals out the back. Don't know the rear end, but it would lay hard 11's down the road forever!)

He would change the oil & filter, fill the tank and put gas-line antifreeze & fuel stabilizer in there... run it for a good boot in the neighborhood to operating temp, and then have his son or me hold the gas pedal down while he dumped transmission fluid down the carb until it choked out.

Then he'd cover it and walk away until late spring.

I have such great memories in that car. My and my Bud would be in the back with his Brother, and his Dad, Fester (his nickname as he looked like Fester Adams, but with hair!) was behind the wheel and his Mom in the front seat.... He'd take us out and rocket ship that car everywhere, shifting the 727TF up and down all the time....and always had his bottle of sip-n-sherry under the seat for frequent hydration needs..lol.

When we were teens and after his Dad passed but left him the car, we would have great drives in that car.
One time in Port Hope we were..ummm... hydrating whilst driving.... and coming down a country hill at over 100mp/h and saw the stop sign and cars on either side taking their turns through the intersection... My Bro stood on that huge break pedal to try and stop it...we blew through the stop sign with all four wheels bellowing smoke out of them.

Trying to stop an over 2-ton ragtop with four-wheel manual drum brakes and asbestos shoes was not easy....
Ahhhhhhhh...the good ole' days!

 

[Yardbird]

Ahhhhhhh.....You never forget the smell of overheated asbestos brakes.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

Ahhhhhhh.....You never forget the smell of overheated asbestos brakes.

Truer words never spoken, Brother!
Such a distinct smell.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Ahhhhhhh.....You never forget the smell of overheated asbestos brakes.

and brake fade north of 100 mph...yet, we're still here.

Somehow.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

and brake fade north of 100 mph...yet, we're still here.

Somehow.

FN right, Brother!
Young, dumb, and full of...... (we were invincible back then!).

 

[tjfdesmo]

and brake fade north of 100 mph...yet, we're still here.

Somehow.

First car was '65 Mustang with a cammed up 289 Hi-Po (K motor), and manual drums x4. Lots of serious pucker moments.

 

[Sherman Bird]

Any of you trying the new Valvoline Restore and Protect in your w*h*i*z mobiles?

It claims to be the latest and greatest PUP in terms of cleaning piston rings, which is important for hot, higher stressed engines like the little 4 cylinder GDI turbos.

Back 10 years ago, PUP's claim to fame was with GTL base oil being a Group III+ saturated oil, nearly a PAO, and spiking with a bunch more detergent. I remember their advertising the Sequence IIIH piston ring lands much cleaner than with Mobil 1.

Valvoline Restore and Protect also claims low wear. Lake Speed Jr. made a couple of YouTube videos about it, his initial cursory testing validated the varnish deposit cleanup on his wife's Toyota engine dipstick.

I'm using it for the first time in 2 vehicles, one is my wife's GDI 3.3L 2014 Kia Sorento. The Sorento will be a real eye-opener. I bought it from the customer due to major running problems/carbon buildup. So far, so good. The Jury is still deliberating. The other car is one of my customers, and thus far, is doing well.

 

[Travis8352]

I received an email response from David Ward of HPL, pasted below. Don't know who David Ward is vs. David Stoiber.

He would not comment on comparison to new Valvoline R&P oil as I requested. What a surprise. I dunno, maybe PUP is 'good enough' for 5k mile OCI's in these motors. Lake Speed test higher antioxidation and detergency in PUP vs. P, but that's as far as he went. Unfortunately, there's no way to know until it's too late and the engine's gunked. Maybe bore scope down a spark plug hole?


"If the vehicles do not use oil you can use the same SC 0w30 in all of them. They all have base soils that clean, and they have enough Moly in them to deter LSPI."

David Ward
High Performance Lubricants
500 S Spruce St
Manteno, IL 60950
815-693-4277 cell

David ward is the owner of the company/ CEO and david stoiber is plant manager

 

[Travis8352]

However the specs are a bit better than plain G3...

US_Val_RestoreProtect_0W20_MO_EN.pdf - Docusign CLM

sharena21.springcm.com

Its definately group 3. The question is whether its alkylated napthalene doing the cleaning or something new. They claim it was new and unexpected. If i had to guess its a new antioxidant or dispersent that they tested for extended drain intervals and discovered it cleans well and marketing took hold and brought them to "restore and protect"

 

[Burla]

Is there any paper suggesting AN would clean this well? You dont think it is just a different ester or lower amount? Is there any oxidation numbers in uoa/voa's out there? I find it so funny they were so willing to say their old formula restore product was ester on video and not tell us what this is, lol??

 

[HEMIMANN]

David ward is the owner of the company/ CEO and david stoiber is plant manager

The Owner answers web inquiries? Jfc!