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You're talking about the Slant 6 right?
Nope,the Aussies had a wicked straight 6 that utilized a Hemi head,it's been several years since i was reading about them,but i think the high power version made as much power as the 318 did,maybe even slightly more.

Edit looks like the Aussie 6 was more inline with what they rated the 340's at.

Up until 1971 the 318 is listed as making 230 hp. In 1972 and up it drops to 150 hp. What actually made this hp drop?

 
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You're talking about the Slant 6 right?
Nope. A straight 6 with Hemi head. In E37, E38, E48 and E49 form they ran triple Webers. Pumped out in excess of 300hp in the high comp versions. In racing trim probably closer to 400hp. A stock E49 was claimed to do the standing 1/4 mile in low 14 seconds on street rubber. They sound wicked at full noise.

Chrysler Australia also made an E55 which was a 340, the first half of them were older 1969 high comp engines. The later ones were the lower compression ULP engines. These were all auto though and single exhaust so were hamstrung so to speak.

Prior to 1972 we had two premier stock racing categories: Group C and Series Production (or Appendix J).

Group C was a modified class, dominated by US vehicles like Mustang and Camaro. A Holden Monaro won it in 1970 running a TRACO 350. Bob Jane won it in 1971 and 1972 with a 1969 ZL1 (an anctual ZL1). Allan Moffat campaigned a Kar-Kraft Boss 302 Mustang.

Series Production was the stock road cars with minimum production numbers to be eligible. Towards the end of the 60's and early 1970's it became a "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" at all costs setup. With the Ford, GMH and Chrysler building minimum build numbers of high performance factory cars. The GT-HO Falcons ran 351C 4V engines that were hand re-built here in Australia with solid camshafts and the final ones had 780cfm Holleys. GMH ran Monaros with 300hp L48 engines and later ran little LC and LJ Toranas (basically a Vauxhall Viva) with triple carb 6cyl engines. Chrysler had the E48 and E49 Chargers. For 1972 Ford had teh XA falcon variant of the GT-HO planned, GMH had a 308ci V8 powered LJ Torana and Chrysler were planning a 340ci Charger. There was a big shake-up due to these 140mph road cars and it all got canned, and after that the Group C and Series Production rules were changed to become just GroupC where a lot more freedoms were offered so that the manufacturers didn't have to build these high performance road cars anymore, just build the parts and the less powerful road cars could be modified. Remember GMH at the time were governed by the same Corporate racing ban that GM US had, and all this racing was done by the "Dealer Team" at arms length from GMH - essentially through the back door just like it was done in the USA.

Here is an E48 in recent action, an E48 is a regular fuel version of the E49, so less cam. But makes similar noises just not as sweet or as fast:


Here is a 450hp Hemi 265 in action on the Phillip Island Grand Prix circuit. You can hear how nice they sound. The little blue coupe you see in an LJ Torana, that was what GMH were putting a 250hp 308ci V8 into.


This shows the same race I think from the little blue Torana, 330hp 202ci Holden 6cyl. It sounds nice too:
 
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Nope,the Aussies had a wicked straight 6 that utilized a Hemi head,it's been several years since i was reading about them,but i think the high power version made as much power as the 318 did,maybe even slightly more.

Edit looks like the Aussie 6 was more inline with what they rated the 340's at.

Up until 1971 the 318 is listed as making 230 hp. In 1972 and up it drops to 150 hp. What actually made this hp drop?


Power ratings changed from SAE Gross to SAE net in 1971, plus ULP engines were introduced for 1971 which dropped compression.

The best example I can give you is the 1971 GM L48 (stock 4BBL 350 SBC). The L48 was 300hp in 1970 but dropped to 270hp for 1971 (both SAE gross ie GM20 test) due to compression dropping from 10.25:1 (1970) down to 8.5:1 (1971). For that year the engines were also rated in SAE net (GM1 test). See below:

1971 L48 GM20 (SAE gross):
270hp@4800
360lbft@3200

1971 L48 GM1 (SAE net):
210hp@4400 manual, 175hp@4000 auto
300lbft@2800 manual, 290lbft@2400 auto.

Remember GM1 was as installed, so had exhaust, simulated transmission, ambient at simulated under-hood temperature etc. GM20 was on a dyno with no accessories connected using laboratory fuel and cooler ambient intake air.

Chrysler were no different. The 340 dropped compression from the 1969-70 engines at over 10:1 down to around 8.5:1 for ULP engines.
 

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Power ratings changed from SAE Gross to SAE net in 1971, plus ULP engines were introduced for 1971 which dropped compression.

The best example I can give you is the 1971 GM L48 (stock 4BBL 350 SBC). The L48 was 300hp in 1970 but dropped to 270hp for 1971 (both SAE gross ie GM20 test) due to compression dropping from 10.25:1 (1970) down to 8.5:1 (1971). For that year the engines were also rated in SAE net (GM1 test). See below:

1971 L48 GM20 (SAE gross):
270hp@4800
360lbft@3200

1971 L48 GM1 (SAE net):
210hp@4400 manual, 175hp@4000 auto
300lbft@2800 manual, 290lbft@2400 auto.

Remember GM1 was as installed, so had exhaust, simulated transmission, ambient at simulated under-hood temperature etc. GM20 was on a dyno with no accessories connected using laboratory fuel and cooler ambient intake air.

Chrysler were no different. The 340 dropped compression from the 1969-70 engines at over 10:1 down to around 8.5:1 for ULP engines.
You guys had some wild toys ,that i think would of went over big over here if they'd ever made it across the pond.
The closest we got to one of your toys was the Pontiac G8,which from what i know,was basically developed in Australia.
Back in my Cleveland days,i always wanted a set of the Aussie heads,lol.
 

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You guys had some wild toys ,that i think would of went over big over here if they'd ever made it across the pond.
The closest we got to one of your toys was the Pontiac G8,which from what i know,was basically developed in Australia.
Back in my Cleveland days,i always wanted a set of the Aussie heads,lol.

You got a few of them. The early-mid 2000's GTO was a Holden Monaro. The Pontiac G8 and Chevrolet SS were VE and VF Commodore.

None of our cars had engines anything like the hipo early 60's big block stuff, or the 426 Hemi or L88/ZL1 427, LS6 454 or even the solid cam 327's, 302's and 350's. Other than those GT-HO's with hand built 351W and 351C engines.
 

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You got a few of them. The early-mid 2000's GTO was a Holden Monaro. The Pontiac G8 and Chevrolet SS were VE and VF Commodore.

None of our cars had engines anything like the hipo early 60's big block stuff, or the 426 Hemi or L88/ZL1 427, LS6 454 or even the solid cam 327's, 302's and 350's. Other than those GT-HO's with hand built 351W and 351C engines.
Did the compression ratio's drop over there like they did here in 72.I was under the impression you guys didn't have smog controls till later on. You guys also had some good looking 4 door toys compared to north america's 4 door cars.
 

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I never heard of Chrysler Australia. Interesting.

It's too late now for anything useful with Euro conglomerate Stellantis on the scene making Boeing cars.
 

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What can you guys tell me about cvt transmissions, apparently rav 4 went cvt 2019. It looks like most of these suv's that are top sellers use this transmission.
 

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What can you guys tell me about cvt transmissions, apparently rav 4 went cvt 2019. It looks like most of these suv's that are top sellers use this transmission.
CVT sounds like a great idea, but in the real world suck. Sure for eco-friendly city cars, it should be fine, but frankly you hear of stories of them failing.. Nissan went CVT on most of their cars and those keep failing. Honda Jazz as well. As far as I know, they don't use standard ATF, there is a special type required.
On technical specs.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission
 

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Did the compression ratio's drop over there like they did here in 72.I was under the impression you guys didn't have smog controls till later on. You guys also had some good looking 4 door toys compared to north america's 4 door cars.

Our local engines didn't as we didn't get ULP until late in 1987. The imported engines did. The L48 (350 4BBL) changed from the 1969-70 10.25:1 350hp version into the same 8.5:1 270hp version that appeared in 1971 model year in the USA (ie from September 1970). Pretty much all of the mainstream US engines changed to ULP spec from 1971 model year ready for 1972. As we still used 97-98 RON leaded fuel they used the carby tune and distributor off the 1969-70 engines though and the hp rating increased to 275hp as a result. From about 9/73 we did get the anti-smog stuff (no air pump though like the manual US engines got) that California spec engines got from 1967 model year, and the rest of the USA got for 1968 model year. Then charcoal canisters from 1/75. And EGR valves from 6/76. Stayed that way until ULP introduction from 1987.

Our local 308ci (5.0L) GMH V8 started out in 1969 at 9:1 with a little cam, then changed to 9.7:1 from 8/74. It stayed as 9.7:1 until mid 1978 when it dropped to 9.4. Changed to 9.2 about 1980, was de-stroked by a fraction to 304ci in 1985 with compression dropping to 8.8:1. And then to 8.5:1 for ULP in 1987. After that it was re-designed with different heads for EFI.
 

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What can you guys tell me about cvt transmissions, apparently rav 4 went cvt 2019. It looks like most of these suv's that are top sellers use this transmission.
All i know is change the fluid every 30k with a cvt which i am at with my altima. Its gonna get redline non slip cvt
 

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What can you guys tell me about cvt transmissions, apparently rav 4 went cvt 2019. It looks like most of these suv's that are top sellers use this transmission.
We have a 2012 Jeep Compass Limited that we bought new. It has the CVT and it has been great! No CVT issues ever, and the Jeep currently has 180,000 miles on it. We have had the CVT fluid and filter done twice at the dealership since 2012. Overall, since new this vehicle has been about as dependable as a pet rock! 2 rear wheel bearings, and a coolant leak at the thermostat housing is all in 180,000 miles and counting. We have Lifetime Max Care on it, so no reason to sell it, and we both like the CVT just fine!
 

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Perhaps I am fossilized - the research I did into reliability of CVT's was in 2020. The long term reliability was in question for both Honda and Chevy, I couldn't quote articles after so long but suffice to say I was unimpressed.

Do some get lucky? Are some CVT's better than others? I have no idea.
 
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