Synthetic Oil

[Treburkulosis]

Maybe I am getting old and cant see for ****, but this doesn't look like a spare bumper or a hitch spare, but something else? Nothing says go ahead and rear-end me like a spare tire hanging off your rear?

Looks hypnotizing to me. Id probably hit that.:****:

 

[Burla]

Looks hypnotizing to me. Id probably hit that.:****:

 

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The small filter is only used on the trucks, not the SRT vehicles. Their excuse is that the big filter won't fit on the trucks due to the electronic power steering, which is BS. The small filter can starve the top portion of the engine of oil, which has poor lubrication to begin with. But hey, two things:

1) It's your motor, so you do what you want with it.

2) Cool if it works for you.

PUP is not top of the line oil, not even close. It doesn't even come close to Red Line Oil. The entire PUP lineup, including SRT 0W-40, are fuel economy oils. Look at their density, all of them are 0.841 g/cm3. Red Line 5W-30 is 0.875 g/cm3. AMSOIL SS oils are also above 0.850 g/cm3. Schaeffer's is another good example that's expensive to make. Synthetics that are that dense are expensive to manufacture. PUP is just a step bellow Mobil 1, which isn't saying much. I'll probably switch the HEMI to Red Line Oil next oil change. I kept putting it off because I still have plenty of M1 FS 0W-40, and I'm cheap. But Red Line Oil is good stuff, PUP is just meh.

I think he likely meant top of the line group 3. Which it is. It isn’t going to be as good as some Amsoil (SS), German Castrol, in the Group 4 and certainly not in line with redline Group 5. PUP is the best group 3 I would argue that with anyone. I think PUP and the other group 3s do hit a sweet spot for most buyers. Better performance and no risk of sludge but not crazy high price like Red Line. I am a big fan of Group 3 and use it in all my engines. I use red line in the differentials and transmissions when I can. I also use Maxlife Full Syn ATF and like that a lot too.

 

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The lawsuit is an Internet myth, and like many others, it's amplified with every post. Add to that the fact that in the end, things worked out well for everyone, as not they can sell us any soup made of various base oil, hydrocracked or otherwise somehow synthesized, and they can call it synthetic. Short of selling us refined crude as synthetic oil, they can use that label on pretty much anything. And guess what: no one cares anymore. If it performs, then all is well, and if it doesn't, then don't buy it.

I'm curious to know what makes PUP better than Mobil 1, other than anecdotal evidence.

PUP beats all other group 3 oils in analysis I have seen. Look at the wear numbers.

 

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@Burla @Hemi395 @Treburkulosis @tjfdesmo and everyone else reading this forum, I have a tiny riddle for you:

Why does Chrysler / RAM recommend 89 octane gas for the 5.7 HEMI when it's not even GDI engines? Its compression ratio doesn't warranty 89 octane gas either. So what's the catch?

It is noticeable if you use 87 instead of 89. It ******* and makes less power when you use 87. I am sure it isn’t bad for it but I don’t like it. The same is true on my Yukon XL it calls for 91 and when I use anything less I can totally tell power is reduced. Idle is rougher. I use 91 almost always in that. I try to use ethanol free as well for better mileage.

 

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I don't have an answer, but there is more to octane requirement than just static compression ratio. Limitations in combustion chamber design, swirl, and other factors come into play. I know, despite folks saying otherwise, my 6.4 ran just fine on 87.

Probably depends on climate and altitude would be interesting to see what others are at. 87 in a 5.7L 4th gen here yields crappy performance. I can’t stand it.

 

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I don't like RP produces either, of course RP filters don't have anything to do with RP except they sell them. Clones of amsoil filters, pretty good imo.

100% same way I feel about it.

RP, EA are 1a and 1b
Purolator boss is 2
FU number 3 and I dot love them because it seems like they don’t have as good ADB as the others. I’ll run them in a pinch though.

 

[crackerjack1957]

Others will not take on the Quaker State wear challenge........
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/2003/quaker-state-gets-no-takers-in-'wear-war'-challenge

 

[Burla]

It is noticeable if you use 87 instead of 89. It ******* and makes less power when you use 87. I am sure it isn’t bad for it but I don’t like it. The same is true on my Yukon XL it calls for 91 and when I use anything less I can totally tell power is reduced. Idle is rougher. I use 91 almost always in that. I try to use ethanol free as well for better mileage.

For me it is night and day when I use something other then 87, I say just don't use it or tune your truck down to it.

 

[Burla]

PUP beats all other group 3 oils in analysis I have seen. Look at the wear numbers.

yeah times two

Funny walmart is selling pennzoil full synthetic for more then PP, I wonder if PUP changes it's name, I guess I should look it up as I type.

Nope, they still have PUP, funny maybe it was a weight thing but I thought I checked that.

 

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Caught up. I got behind.

Fun times out here. I recently got the Walmart PP 5W-20 desk which was 6 qts for $7.98. I ordered many mostly to use in my wife’s van as I usually use 5W-30. Anyway check out this change. Old was dexos approved. Looks like new formula isn’t!!!

 

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yeah times two

Funny walmart is selling pennzoil full synthetic for more then PP, I wonder if PUP changes it's name, I guess I should look it up as I type.

Beat me too it. Look at the comparison on back. PP and PUP branding may be dying.

 

[Burla]

Others will not take on the Quaker State wear challenge........
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/2003/quaker-state-gets-no-takers-in-'wear-war'-challenge

that's a cool find, lol.

 

[Burla]

Caught up. I got behind.

Fun times out here. I recently got the Walmart PP 5W-20 desk which was 6 qts for $7.98. I ordered many mostly to use in my wife’s van as I usually use 5W-30. Anyway check out this change. Old was dexos approved. Looks like new formula isn’t!!!

That is pretty huge information imo. I wonder if they changed their formula to meet dexos or if it always did but they didnt cert it. Must find out.

If you look at pennzoil website, they say only PP and PUP is GtL.

 

[Burla]

PUP 0w40 looks the same, but either I didn't know or they changed it, but viscosity index is 189, that is about the same as super class 0w40's, incredible.

Maybe I missed it, but I didnt see dexos, so maybe only some pennzoils are dexos

 

[Burla]

From Pennzoil these are Dexos..

GM dexos1™ Certification (SAE 0W-20, SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30)

Safe bet they didnt change PUP 0w40 at all.

 

[Rod Knock]

@Burla check this out: https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/published/en-US/43674fbe-7210-4efb-b5c2-f8d17f3428b0.pdf

This is an expensive Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 in a Quaker State bottle. I'm really tempted. It's a thin 5W-40. It's the same stuff that you would put in a Ferrari. The same oil recommended in Europe for my wife's 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe. They recommend Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 for that motor in Europe. Currently running Castrol EDGE 0W-40 in it. It's a very flexible engine, the 3.3L Lambda II, you can run anything from 0W-20 up to 20W-50 in it and it won't blow itself to pieces.

I think that this oil would do great in a HEMI, especially in a 6.4, and it's dirt cheap. It's $18.97 at my local Walmart, API SP, all the certifications, including for EcoDiesel. Looks like the Gods of Oil gave us something cool for once.

 

[Rod Knock]

That is pretty huge information imo. I wonder if they changed their formula to meet dexos or if it always did but they didnt cert it. Must find out.

If you look at pennzoil website, they say only PP and PUP is GtL.

Those are two different oils. Just check out the Pennzoil website. They are two different tiers, two different products.

 

[Rod Knock]

Caught up. I got behind.

Fun times out here. I recently got the Walmart PP 5W-20 desk which was 6 qts for $7.98. I ordered many mostly to use in my wife’s van as I usually use 5W-30. Anyway check out this change. Old was dexos approved. Looks like new formula isn’t!!!

Check out the Pennzoil website. Those are two different products. Pennzoil has a newer cheaper oil out. PP and PUP branding is not dying.

 

[Rod Knock]

PUP beats all other group 3 oils in analysis I have seen. Look at the wear numbers.

If you can post some links about this claim, that would be very helpful. I'll settle for some UOAs.

Not for nothing, but similarly rated oils perform similarly in an engine during a similar OCI and similar driving conditions. Not my words, Blackstone lab said it.