Toyota Slams California’s EV Mandate As ‘Impossible’, Pushes For A National Rule

[Yardbird]

Toyota Slams California’s EV Mandate As ‘Impossible’, Pushes For A National Rule​

Story by Michael Gauthier
2 min read

• California will require 35% of new vehicles sold to be PHEVs or zero-emissions starting with the 2026MY.
• The percentage of electric vehicles will increase annually, reaching 100% by the 2035 model year.
• Toyota’s Jack Hollis called the EV mandate “impossible,” citing a lack of demand for electric vehicles.

California’s emissions wavier has effectively created two sets of regulations and it’s been a contentious issue for years. That continues to this day as Toyota Motor North America’s Chief Operating Officer has called upcoming rules “impossible.”

The remarks were reportedly made in regards to Advanced Clean Cars II regulations, which aim to “rapidly scale down light-duty passenger car, pickup truck, and SUV emissions starting with the 2026 model year.” When the rules go into play, automakers are supposed to have 35% of sales come from plug-in hybrid or zero-emission vehicles. That percentage then increases annually and eventually hits 100% for the 2035MY.

While that’s the short and dirty version, it’s basically wishful thinking. According to CNBC, Toyota’s Jack Hollis said “I have not seen a forecast by anyone … government or private, anywhere that has told us that that number is achievable.” He reportedly went on to say “it looks impossible” at this point.

Hollis said there isn’t enough demand for EVs and other qualifying models, while adding the “unnatural” move would “limit a customer’s choice.” This is interesting to note as even democrats, such as Michigan senator-elect Elissa Slotkin, campaigned against EV mandates and said “What you drive is your call, no one else’s.”



If California has their way, they’ll be calling the shots. That’s part of the reason why Toyota wants one national standard as it would prevent any one state from putting their thumb on the scale and affecting everyone.

As Hollis explained, “We would always want a 50-state rule, because that way we can treat all customers, all dealers, equally, fairly, whatever that might be.” He went on to express hope that state and federal regulators could come together and create “something that is achievable.”


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[mikeru]

At some point something has to give. People aren't going to accept being told what they have to buy. These types of mandates are going to kill the auto industry as it exists if allowed to continue. I'm all for states passing their own laws, but not when those state laws affect the entire country. It will be interesting to watch what happens.

 

[Docwagon1776]

CA's exemption will almost certainly be revoked again like it was in 2019.

Trying to tread the line on forum rules so no mentioning the why, but it's pretty obvious given it was revoked once before, reinstated, and there's only one variable...

 

[GTyankee]

The RULE went before the House & Senate of the USA, it passed & the President at that time, put his signature on it.

It was sent to the EPA, where they approved it.

Now, no matter who is President, it would be almost unheard of to Over RULE the EPA.

It will be interesting to watch what happens, now that Europe EV Vehicle Manufacturers & EV Battery companies are backing down on their own Policies.

FORD International is considering backing off on the EV Mustang.
Even using biggest EV battery that will fit in the EV Mustang, it was the FIRST vehicle to drop out of a 4 EV vehicle battery test.
All 4 vehicles had to drive the same roads, at the same speed, the 4 drivers switched cars, so that every driver drove every vehicle the same distance
on One Charge.
What the battery was charged to at the beginning, was all the EV's got.

Only 1 vehicle made it to the Final Destination, the rest were Towed in.

 

[Docwagon1776]

Even using biggest EV battery that will fit in the EV Mustang, it was the FIRST vehicle to drop out of a 4 EV vehicle battery test.

They just announced they are moving battery production to the US, upgraded the 2025 model to include a heat pump and better range, and are up to 320 miles of range on RWD extended range models. No idea what test you're discussing or who put it on, but Ford is competing hard in the EV category.

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

I suspect after January there will be major changes at the EPA and other governmental agencies, in the name of government efficiency, resulting in repeal of several clean air initiatives, a re-evaluation of applicable standards for the future and a overall general loosening of future standards

 

[Yardbird]

They just announced they are moving battery production to the US, upgraded the 2025 model to include a heat pump and better range, and are up to 320 miles of range on RWD extended range models. No idea what test you're discussing or who put it on, but Ford is competing hard in the EV category.

If Ford doesn't go broke with EVs, and they accomplish their goal, they will once again have the best car no one will buy, just like the Edsel.

 

[Docwagon1776]

If Ford doesn't go broke with EVs, and they accomplish their goal, they will once again have the best car no one will buy, just like the Edsel.

Net profit for Ford is still measured in billions, they are in no danger of going broke. They are losing money on EVs, but that's expected when you're building out new infrastructure, R&D, etc.

Sales are pretty flat year over year on the Mach-E. They've cut costs and improved the product, in addition to partnering with Tesla for charging stations, so we'll see.

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

A billion ain't what it used to be

 

[GTyankee]

just watched a CarWow video
It was a EV Battery test that was done this year
england to Edinburgh scotland

I drove these NEW electric cars until they DIED!

In this video, the BMW i5 stats are for a car with smaller wheels. The claimed range for this car is 328 miles which means it reached 90% of its claimed rang...

www.youtube.com

no American brands were tested

They seem to be having issues with EV Charging Stations
Not enough chargers or chargers Inop

 

[KerryinTN]

If CA manages to enforce any of this, the only losers will be in-state car dealers as people cross the nearest state line to buy whatever model they want, unrestricted. State-line-adjacent dealers will be the big winners.

 

[lpennock]

Same problem with Class A motor homes. The chassis manufactures aren't going to make a chassis the meets the ZEV standards.

Will California Ban New Motorhome Sales in 2025?

CARB's ACT regulation will create a near-total ban on new motorhome sales in California in 2025. Ten other states have also adopted the rule.

camperreport.com

 

[RWlRAM]

If CA manages to enforce any of this, the only losers will be in-state car dealers as people cross the nearest state line to buy whatever model they want, unrestricted. State-line-adjacent dealers will be the big winners.

Sounds like a great idea BUT.....as it stands now it's a problem registering a used vehicle with less than 7K on the ODO now.
CA will just pass legislation that will not allow you to register a NON EV in the state......I'm sure it's already in the works somewhere in someone's peanut brain.

Bring on the horses.....

 

[RWlRAM]

I hope everyone understands this started back in the late '60's when the SMOG programs started in CA.
Everyone said, it won't go beyond CA......but over the years it has.
It's a more about money than the environment!

 

[Marshall]

If Ford doesn't go broke with EVs, and they accomplish their goal, they will once again have the best car no one will buy, just like the Edsel.

I liked my Edsel, but then gas was cheap them.
The same type of idiots are running Canada, IQ of a fence post, Only light at the end of the tunnel is he should be gone after the next election coming up.
He is reading the same song book as California.
It is a impossible target.

 

[tron67j]

One thing to do, stop building cars around batteries and allow swapping packs. Could still be rechargeable but if one could pull into a service station and swap packs in about 10-15 minutes, there might be more adoption. Could get bigger and smaller packs depending on need.

It is a lot of fun to punch the pedal and take off like a rocket but then there is remorse that I left 40 miles at the line.

 

[Dusty]

The RULE went before the House & Senate of the USA, it passed & the President at that time, put his signature on it.

It was sent to the EPA, where they approved it.

Now, no matter who is President, it would be almost unheard of to Over RULE the EPA.

The president can overrule a rule ONLY if the Congress has not approved it. The alphabet agencies fall under Article 2.

Unfortunately, administrations in the past, and the current more so, have permitted the alphabet agencies to write and rewrite rules without submitting a Notice of Proposed Rule Making and getting congressional approval.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 122412 miles.

 

[lpennock]

no American brands were tested

Last I looked Telsa was considered an American brand.
Their Charger stations looked better than they have in the Southwest. No Stations between Reno and Vegas in Nevada. Nothing between Phoenix and Flagstaff or Kingman in Arizona.

 

[mdc1990zr1]

CA's exemption will almost certainly be revoked again like it was in 2019.

Trying to tread the line on forum rules so no mentioning the why, but it's pretty obvious given it was revoked once before, reinstated, and there's only one variable...

I'll say it. That California mandate will be Trumped in January. Drill baby, drill!!!

 

[GTyankee]

California's Governor is in Washington DC right now
He wants Biden to Block Trump from blocking the EV Mandates
He will do anything to be President after Trump