Transmission service.

[Bmags]

You're not stupid enough to have not noticed the amount of guys who claim their 8 speed shifts better after a fluid change. You also aren't stupid enough to think those claims come from a 1/2 a fluid change,it comes from the fact the transmission actually finally has the proper fluid level in it.
Even you must realize a fluid change won't change the shifting patterns,but having the correct amount of fluid will.
I might be giving you to much credit,as you're also the guy who deleted 8th in his 8 speed and started calling it the same as a 3.92 geared truck,but with a 7 speed,but i don't think i am
Nice edit by the way,play nice so the thread doesn't get locked down

K

I’d also think you’re not too dumb to notice the amount of metal on the magnets on the OEM pan when you perform your first service, and also probably not too dumb to realize that by changing a half plugged filter you’d certainly obtain better shifting characteristics… no wait, on second thought you certainly are that dumb.

I’m so glad you are the one to help us wade through the good engineer decisions from the bad ones. Oh what a gift it is to have your guidance and ability to say “this engineer was competent and this one wasn’t”.

So I’m assuming that Valvoline Maxlife fluid you put in there is approved by those smart ZF engineers as well right? I mean it must be if you are recommending it. Because it would seem odd to say trust the engineers on the level and follow the procedure to a T, but don’t listen to them on the fluid, just toss some s**t in there that another forum member used.

I’m still waiting for the picture of a truck on a 2 or 4 post lift with blocks under the frame to “level the transmission”. Anyone who believes that should buy some of the blinker fluid I have for sale.

Anyone doing this procedure should follow their own common sense. It’s not that hard.

 

[EdGs]

... here's my PPE tranny pan/filter and 7 quarts of MOPAR 8/9 Speed ATF and my pump sprayer modified from the idea of Wild one (Rick) sitting in my spare room that I bought last year for my truck that I don't have anymore ... I should at least knock the dust off of boxes ...

I have an 8 speed service coming up, you could donate them to me......lol

 

[huntergreen]

Interesting that my mechanic levels the trans on his own ram 1500 8speed when changing if his trans fluid.

 

[Wild one]

K

I’d also think you’re not too dumb to notice the amount of metal on the magnets on the OEM pan when you perform your first service, and also probably not too dumb to realize that by changing a half plugged filter you’d certainly obtain better shifting characteristics… no wait, on second thought you certainly are that dumb.

I’m so glad you are the one to help us wade through the good engineer decisions from the bad ones. Oh what a gift it is to have your guidance and ability to say “this engineer was competent and this one wasn’t”.

I’m still waiting for the picture of a truck on a 2 or 4 post lift with blocks under the frame to “level the transmission”. Anyone who believes that should buy some of the blinker fluid I have for sale.

The ZF's filter is more then sufficiently sized to handle being half plugged. Not everybody has had even close to a plugged filter,and still notices a marketed improvement in shifting after a 1/2 fluid change,and that's due to the fact the transmission finally has the proper fluid level after they've followed the Green sheet instuctions.
BTW the metal on the magnets Does Not affect flow through the filter,it's stuck to the magnet dude,and isn't going through the filter.Jesus i didn't realize you were that dumb to think the material stuck to the magnet is still circulating in the fluid Give it up Dude,all you're doing is making yourself look unhinged,as you scratch the bottom of the barrell ,thinking you can prove me wrong
BTW i have enough experience and "Common Sense" to notice bad engineering ideas when i see them, maybe not all the time,but apparently alot more often then you do.

I got ahold of my Tech buddy,and he says he levels the pan rails on the truck 8 speeds when he does one,but he also says they don't do very many as the service writers tell everybody the transmission doesn't need servicing,and is sealed for life,plus they've priced the tranny service into the realm where most people won't pay to have it done at a dealership,so i'm guessing the guys you're talking to,also haven't done very many 8 speed services either.Odds are they each would probably be lucky to count on 1 hand how many 8 speed services they've done

No need for blocks on alot of shop lifts,they have these little extra bridge jacks now a days,you can slide them under the frame or axle,and pick the vehicle up off the lift. No Blocks required anymore, lol

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[Bmags]

The ZF's filter is more then sufficiently sized to handle being half plugged. Not everybody has had even close to a plugged filter,and still notices a marketed improvement in shifting after a 1/2 fluid change,and that's due to the fact the transmission finally has the proper fluid level after they've followed the Green sheet instuctions.
BTW the metal on the magnets Does Not affect flow through the filter,it's stuck to the magnet dude,and isn't going through the filter.Jesus i didn't realize you were that dumb to think the material stuck to the magnet is still circulating in the fluid Give it up Dude,all you're doing is making yourself look unhinged,as you scratch the bottom of the barrell ,thinking you can prove me wrong
BTW i have enough experience and "Common Sense" to notice bad engineering ideas when i see them, maybe not all the time,but apparently alot more often then you do.

I got ahold of my Tech buddy,and he says he levels the pan rails on the truck 8 speeds when he does one,but he also says they don't do very many as the service writers tell everybody the transmission doesn't need servicing,and is sealed for life,plus they've priced the tranny service into the realm where most people won't pay to have it done at a dealership,so i'm guessing the guys you're talking to,also haven't done very many 8 speed services either.Odds are they each would probably be lucky to count on 1 hand how many 8 speed services they've done

No need for blocks on alot of shop lifts,they have these little extra bridge jacks now a days,you can slide them under the frame or axle,and pick the vehicle up off the lift. No Blocks required anymore, lol

4-Post Bridge Jacks​

Whether you're lifting cars or trucks, you will want to get the most out of your BendPak four-post lift. We developed these 4-post bridge jacks to get your wheels off the runway and make full wheel service fast, safe and easy. These bridge jacks turn your four-post lift into the most versatile car lift money can buy.

K

 

[Wild one]

K

Figured i'd quote this again,to see how much you edit it,hopefully you don't go off on poor old me again like you did with your last edit
BTW you're kind of fun to play with,and have been very entertaining this evening,i like playing with you
By now i hope you've figured out i don't really get mad,i'm more inclined to be laughing at you

 

[Bmags]

Figured i'd quote this again,to see how much you edit it,hopefully you don't go off on poor old me again like you did with your last edit
BTW you're kind of fun to play with,and have been very entertaining this evening,i like playing with you
By now i hope you've figured out i don't really get mad,i'm more inclined to be laughing at you

K

 

[Bmags]

Anyone with a functioning brain cell would understand that the metal on the magnets signifies wear. Why even state something as silly as the fact that the metal on the magnets doesn’t clog the filter unless you realize I’m right.

The filter isn’t plugged by the metal on the magnet, it’s plugged by the metal that never got close enough to the magnet in the first place. Not only that but clutch debris, etc. Clearly if there is enough steel to cover the magnets, there is also non magnetic wear as well floating around in there.

Anyways, how about we perform a test. Anyone that is on the verge to perform a tranny service, let me know and I’ll venmo you $10. Before you drop the pan add an extra half quart and let us know how amazing your truck now shifts. If it’s the same, which it will be, it’s because the filter is actually what’s causing the poor performance.

 

[Wild one]

Anyone with a functioning brain cell would understand that the metal on the magnets signifies wear. Why even state something as silly as the fact that the metal on the magnets doesn’t clog the filter unless you realize I’m right.

The filter isn’t plugged by the metal on the magnet, it’s plugged by the metal that never got close enough to the magnet in the first place. Not only that but clutch debris, etc. Clearly if there is enough steel to cover the magnets, there is also non magnetic wear as well floating around in there.

Anyways, how about we perform a test. Anyone that is on the verge to perform a tranny service, let me know and I’ll venmo you $10. Before you drop the pan add an extra half quart and let us know how amazing your truck now shifts. If it’s the same, which it will be, it’s because the filter is actually what’s causing the poor performance.

Better make it 50 as 10 doesn't come close to covering what a litre/quart of the Mopar 8/9 speed fluid costs,and doesn't give them anything for their labour,don't be such a cheapa$$,make it worth their while
Little tidbit for you,guys have already cut their old filters apart,and there's not really a hell've lot of crap plugging the filter.Go ahead cut your old filter apart

 

[GeauxinUp]

Better make it 50 as 10 doesn't come close to covering what a litre/quart of the Mopar 8/9 speed fluid costs,and doesn't give them anything for their labour,don't be such a cheapa$$,make it worth their while
Little tidbit for you,guys have already cut their old filters apart,and there's not really a hell've lot of crap plugging the filter.Go ahead cut your old filter apart

Just changed mine today, I’ll dig the pan out of the trash and cut open the filter

 

[bm02tj]

Play nice as we all know manufactures make parts as cheep as possible and cut corners and it is the bean counters that cause the most problems

 

[Bmags]

At the end of the day, I don’t care to argue. I am doing all the stuff Wild One says not to and I have no second thoughts… if you want to do something else, go for it.

Did an MDS disable by software only. Filled my tranny with the vehicle level. Disabled 8th gear… etc.

I will run this truck past 300k like my last one, I’m not worried.

 

[Sherman Bird]

Great time to do it now!
Your transmission will thank you for it, and you'll immediately feel the improvement on shifts and smoothness while out and about.

Use either OEM fluid or Valvoline MaxLife only.

Highly recommend either the OEM trans filter or go big and opt for the PPE upgrade.

If you're doing it yourself, ensure that you follow the "green sheet" instructions to a "T"!!
Very important as fluid level accuracy is paramount for our transmissions.

Also a great time now to consider the @caulk04 transmission cooler bypass upgrade to drop those trans temps by up to 30 deg/c and drop the engine temps 3 to 5 deg/c as well.

The last transmission that repeatedly said "Thankayou thankayou" was actually suffering from a bad forward planetary gear set!

 

[Wild one]

At the end of the day, I don’t care to argue. I am doing all the stuff Wild One says not to and I have no second thoughts… if you want to do something else, go for it.

Did an MDS disable by software only. Filled my tranny with the vehicle level. Disabled 8th gear… etc.

I will run this truck past 300k like my last one, I’m not worried.

Good luck and i wish you all the best,on your quest to make 300,000.Keep us updated on your progress to the 300,000 mile goal.
I enjoy the back and forth with you,it's usually fairly entertaining,and i'm of the opinion the world would be a mighty boring place if everybody agreed. I wish you well on your journey to 300,000

 

[stenerson]

115,000 miles on my 2014 5.7L. Is it too late to change out the transmission fluid and filter or do I go ahead and do it. If you have similar miles and it has never been done what did or what do you plan on doing?

Give me some websites for oem Mopar parts. I’m finding the oem pan on Moparpartsgiant.com.

If you're willing to pay for the very expensive Mopar OEM pan I'd strongly recommend biting the bullet and getting the PPE with included filter.
As for your initial question about changing, I changed out my fluid at 160K miles last fall (almost 8K miles ago). I bought the PPE pan and replacement pan gasket.
So far so good. Got lots of helpful advice here that made it go smoothly.

 

[Sherman Bird]

The ZF's filter is more then sufficiently sized to handle being half plugged. Not everybody has had even close to a plugged filter,and still notices a marketed improvement in shifting after a 1/2 fluid change,and that's due to the fact the transmission finally has the proper fluid level after they've followed the Green sheet instuctions.
BTW the metal on the magnets Does Not affect flow through the filter,it's stuck to the magnet dude,and isn't going through the filter.Jesus i didn't realize you were that dumb to think the material stuck to the magnet is still circulating in the fluid Give it up Dude,all you're doing is making yourself look unhinged,as you scratch the bottom of the barrell ,thinking you can prove me wrong
BTW i have enough experience and "Common Sense" to notice bad engineering ideas when i see them, maybe not all the time,but apparently alot more often then you do.

I got ahold of my Tech buddy,and he says he levels the pan rails on the truck 8 speeds when he does one,but he also says they don't do very many as the service writers tell everybody the transmission doesn't need servicing,and is sealed for life,plus they've priced the tranny service into the realm where most people won't pay to have it done at a dealership,so i'm guessing the guys you're talking to,also haven't done very many 8 speed services either.Odds are they each would probably be lucky to count on 1 hand how many 8 speed services they've done

No need for blocks on alot of shop lifts,they have these little extra bridge jacks now a days,you can slide them under the frame or axle,and pick the vehicle up off the lift. No Blocks required anymore, lol

4-Post Bridge Jacks​

Whether you're lifting cars or trucks, you will want to get the most out of your BendPak four-post lift. We developed these 4-post bridge jacks to get your wheels off the runway and make full wheel service fast, safe and easy. These bridge jacks turn your four-post lift into the most versatile car lift money can buy.

Until you clobber your head on the runway!

 

[GeauxinUp]

Not sure if this is of any use, but here’s a couple pics of the filter. Definitely not clogged, can see through it.

 

[Wild one]

Not sure if this is of any use, but here’s a couple pics of the filter. Definitely not clogged, can see through it.

Anybody who has cut their stock original filter apart,have all noticed the same thing,the filter is along way from being plugged.I'm not sure what micron size they catch,but i don't think they catch much under a 20 micron sized particle,if they did you wouldn't be able to see through them.
Thank-you for cutting it apart and the pictures,it's very appreciated.
It lends credience to my theory the guys that notice better shifting after a fluid change,notice it because the transmission has the proper fluid level if they follow the Green sheet reconmendations,and it has nothing to do with the filter being plugged

 

[Wild one]

Until you clobber your head on the runway!

Us old guys don't duck as fast as we used to when were 18 or 20 Sherm

 

[CanuckRam1313]

Chrysler is famous for shipping things low on fluid,you might want to consider that factor,lol.
The transmissions are pre-filled when installed,but not the cooler or lines,so once the truck/vehicle is started,it's automatically low on fluid,and they don't recheck the level,and very few dealers check transmission fluid level if they even do a presale inspection,which alot dealers don't even do anymore.Even if the cooler is prefilled which it isn't,the lines are not so it'd still be low on fluid.
I'm guessing you never considered that did you.

My new Warlock was 1+LT low on trans fluid from the factory... Just saying...

And, believe it or not... so was my new purchased 19' as well!!!

Most vehicles in our favored brand will be low on one or more essential fluids!!!