Tuner help

[monettejb]

Hey guys Im trying to figure out something. Traded my 2010 qc for a 2011 crew cab 4x4. The 2011 already had a k&n cai on it and a muffler. When I test drove it Im sure that it already had a tune installed on it because shifts were firm and precise. I have a trinity so I decided to hook it up and it said "vehicle needs update."

I downloaded update and installed the 93 cand tune. The awesome shifts are gone and truthfully I miss it. The shifts now seem a little delayed and sluggish like factory. I still ran a 6.39 0-60 with 87 performance tune installed, but I miss those "hard shifts."

Can anyone give me insight as to what kind of tuner was in this before I wiped it out? The diablo shifts are like the factory shift. Before it felt like a shift kit was installed and you could feel the tranny bump hard when it shifted. I miss it

is this a bad thing or was there more strain on the tranny with the hard shifting. Even at crusing speed you could feel the gears "bump" into second and etc......

 

[GreyJ]

Do you have the option to "modify tune" and increase the shift firmness? I know you can with the predators not sure about the trinitys. Doing that though gives the result you described before you put the 93 tune in.

 

[monettejb]

Do you have the option to "modify tune" and increase the shift firmness? I know you can with the predators not sure about the trinitys. Doing that though gives the result you described before you put the 93 tune in.

It does have modify tune I know you can increase shift points not sure about pressure. Ill look tho thanks! Still new to me.

 

[MADDOG]

If it had a tuner on it when you plugged in the Trinity it would not have loaded.

 

[monettejb]

If it had a tuner on it when you plugged in the Trinity it would not have loaded.

It wouldn't let me right away. Tuner said "update needed for this vehicle". I updated with PC and installed and it said "writting to vehicle" and took a while, so Im guessing that whatever was installed was "written" over. I have some mechanical background and had a vehicle with a shift kit it in it before. This seriously felt like one, no mistaking.

I tried to reset back to "stock tune" but it still doesnt drive like it did when I first test drove it. shifts are softer and sluggish ever since I updated and installed trinity basically feels just like the 2010 dodge 2wd I traded in. At first I thought that maybe it was the larger 3.55 gears that made the shift firm. This guy also added after market CAI and Exhaust. Thanks for any help

 

[JohnHenry]

If it was tuned prior, it would not have accepted a new tune from your tuner... Handheld tuners take the original tune file and lock the vin.

In most handhelds available now you can select shift points and shift firmness, fit them to your liking.

 

[monettejb]

If it was tuned prior, it would not have accepted a new tune from your tuner... Handheld tuners take the original tune file and lock the vin.

In most handhelds available now you can select shift points and shift firmness, fit them to your liking.

I know what you guys are saying and I would think the same thing but Im telling you, the shifts were hard and amazing before trinity install. I might email trinity to see. To be sure if you bought a vehicle and it had a tune on it, I would think that the tuner software would be able to get rid of that tune when it updated the vehicle, thus unlocking the computer. I mean what would you do if you bought a used vehicle from a car lot and it had a tune on it and you wanted to install one. I would think it could be erased...I know that the programmer that was used on the truck would be locked but possibly not the vehicle? oh well. I cant find shift firmness on the trinity but do see % app at 1-2, 2-3 shift etc....which I believe % app = % of throttle applied.

 

[SILVER_BULLET]

I know what you guys are saying and I would think the same thing but Im telling you, the shifts were hard and amazing before trinity install. I might email trinity to see. To be sure if you bought a vehicle and it had a tune on it, I would think that the tuner software would be able to get rid of that tune when it updated the vehicle, thus unlocking the computer. I mean what would you do if you bought a used vehicle from a car lot and it had a tune on it and you wanted to install one. I would think it could be erased...I know that the programmer that was used on the truck would be locked but possibly not the vehicle? oh well. I cant find shift firmness on the trinity but do see % app at 1-2, 2-3 shift etc....which I believe % app = % of throttle applied.

it can be erased but by a dealership when they reflash the computer but the programmer cant do that

 

[monettejb]

it can be erased but by a dealership when they reflash the computer but the programmer cant do that

I guess Im just baffled because the shifts were excellent and appeared aftermarket, installed trinity after update and now they seem factory again. Who knows, I may email trinity to let them know my problem. Thanks again guys sorry to be whining about it lol.

 

[monettejb]

it can be erased but by a dealership when they reflash the computer but the programmer cant do that

Directly from Mike at Diablo

Yes, it is possible that there was a tune, and it would have been set back to stock once the calibration update went in.



Thanks

 

[SILVER_BULLET]

hmmm i had never heard of that being possible ever but i guess he does know more then i do.....when did you get the truck though? you say its a 2011 so it would be hard for one to be tuned since bully dog just released their programmers not to long ago

 

[monettejb]

hmmm i had never heard of that being possible ever but i guess he does know more then i do.....when did you get the truck though? you say its a 2011 so it would be hard for one to be tuned since bully dog just released their programmers not to long ago

I bought it Wednesday so almost a week ago. I wish I knew, I have connections so I may look up previous owner and try to make contact lol. Drastic difference in whatever was on the truck and the trinity. Trinity has yielded good results, I wish I could have timed the other first tho.

 

[Hemi450hp]

Have you tried just setting the trinity back to stock to see if those firm shifts come back?

 

[JohnHenry]

Have you tried just setting the trinity back to stock to see if those firm shifts come back?

That is what I understand from owning a DST... if you set it back to stock.... it will replace the original tune file it had originally grabbed when doing new tuning.

Hope you get it back or even better!

 

[monettejb]

Have you tried just setting the trinity back to stock to see if those firm shifts come back?

Yep! It blows, I think what happened was when I hooked tuner up to vehicle right after driving out of the parking lot it said this vehicle says it needs an update.

Hooked up to computer to update.

Then when I hooked trinity up it said "writing vehicle" without me doing anything which I assume it was installing a "factory tune" and erasing the previous owner's tune. Then I was able to install the performance tune. Low and behold factory sluggish shifts ); );

 

[SILVER_BULLET]

dont know why but im still not convinced that it had a tune in it before and the diablo was able to write over it. it could happen but i guess its just hard to believe

 

[ram-head]

I know what you guys are saying and I would think the same thing but Im telling you, the shifts were hard and amazing before trinity install. I might email trinity to see. To be sure if you bought a vehicle and it had a tune on it, I would think that the tuner software would be able to get rid of that tune when it updated the vehicle, thus unlocking the computer. I mean what would you do if you bought a used vehicle from a car lot and it had a tune on it and you wanted to install one. I would think it could be erased...I know that the programmer that was used on the truck would be locked but possibly not the vehicle? oh well. I cant find shift firmness on the trinity but do see % app at 1-2, 2-3 shift etc....which I believe % app = % of throttle applied.

I had a Superchips that got stolen while I had the 91 octane tune on my truck. I bought a new Superchips and still had to get the computer flashed.

 

[monettejb]

I had a Superchips that got stolen while I had the 91 octane tune on my truck. I bought a new Superchips and still had to get the computer flashed.

I know but what was different about this was I had to update the tuner via computer for the vehicle. Then before I could do anything it said "writing vehicle" and it took a while. This is when it over wrote the previous tune thus taking programming it back to stock tune. Only then was I able to use the trinity and install the tune. According to Diablo if your truck was tuned by a friend with his tuner and then you bought a Trinity you could use the trinity on your vehicle, it would just remove, overwrite the other tune making it stock again, enabling you to install the canned tunes from trinity.

Oh well but Im assuming that its possible that Diablo has stock tune files for emergency purposes.

Now your friends tuner would be in a bind because he couldnt use it on another truck. I know it works that way making the tuner obsolete.

 

[SILVER_BULLET]

I know but what was different about this was I had to update the tuner via computer for the vehicle. Then before I could do anything it said "writing vehicle" and it took a while. This is when it over wrote the previous tune thus taking programming it back to stock tune. Only then was I able to use the trinity and install the tune. According to Diablo if your truck was tuned by a friend with his tuner and then you bought a Trinity you could use the trinity on your vehicle, it would just remove, overwrite the other tune making it stock again, enabling you to install the canned tunes from trinity.

Oh well but Im assuming that its possible that Diablo has stock tune files for emergency purposes.

Now your friends tuner would be in a bind because he couldnt use it on another truck. I know it works that way making the tuner obsolete.

if i get a trinity right now i will have to do the same thing for mine i will ave to update it and it will say the same thing about writing vehicle

 

[ram-head]

if i get a trinity right now i will have to do the same thing for mine i will ave to update it and it will say the same thing about writing vehicle

That's what I was thinking. It's been a while since I played with my Superchips, but I know when I first bought it, I had to hook it up to a computer and tell it what vehicle I had. Had I just hooked it straight to the truck out of the box, it probably would have said somthing about an update, since it's not loaded for a specific vehicle. I think when I hooked it up to my 2012, it said vehicle needs update, and there's no Superchips support available for it. I think that's just the tuner's way of saying, "I'm not loaded for this vehicle. I need to be updated."

I would contact the customer support and see if that tuner has the capability to overwrite existing tunes from different tuners. But without a stock tune on it, I don't think it would work. That's the first thing a tuner looks for so it can save it and you can flash back to stock later.