Will Ram use the Titan v8?

[nlambert182]

It's strange that you've had so much trouble with 87. I think I've ran one tank of 91, with no discernable difference. I've run 87, 88, 89, and on several occasions E30 (94) and I've never had any knock or noticeable difference in power. I don't tow super often but when I do it's usually kind of heavy, as I've been in the 20k pound neighborhood a number of times and even then, never an issue with 87. My brother's ram has the 6.4, tows all the time, and I know for a fact he only runs 87.

To be clear on my earlier statement with running 87.... that was not with my Hemis. That is in the Nissan. My 5.7 Hemi ran 87 just fine. The tune on the Armada Platinum prevents cleanly running 87. You can run it in the Titan just fine.

 

[ramffml]

There is no world where integrating an engine completely foreign to all other aspects of the vehicle is more cost effective than keeping what they have. Just integrating parts alone into the system would be monumentally expensive.

You're not reading the article and comments. There is no chance of getting the 5.7 back because the tooling has been converted for the hurricane. They're not going to open a new factory for this when it can get shutdown in 4 years again.

The fact that cummins, pentastar, 3 different hemis (5.7, 6.4, 6.2 supercharged), 2 different hurricanes (SO, HO), ecodiesel etc all get dropped in these rams shows that integrating another v8 is not "monumentally expensive". I have no idea where you got that idea, it's not true in the slightest.

It's strange that you've had so much trouble with 87. I think I've ran one tank of 91, with no discernable difference. I've run 87, 88, 89, and on several occasions E30 (94) and I've never had any knock or noticeable difference in power. I don't tow super often but when I do it's usually kind of heavy, as I've been in the 20k pound neighborhood a number of times and even then, never an issue with 87. My brother's ram has the 6.4, tows all the time, and I know for a fact he only runs 87.

It's not just me. Others have complained about it on this forum, or logged it directly from their ECU. In fact, the Ram manual at one point even said something along the lines "a small amount of ping is normal". You don't put that in the manual if guys aren't hearing it.

The uncomfortable truth is that many guys:
A) can't hear it (ears aren't good enough anymore)
B) won't hear it (radio on, talking etc)
C) don't know what to listen for or what it sounds like
D) aren't in the same conditions (humidity, heat, load on the engine, gas quality etc)

I've had one of my brothers not hear a thing in my truck when I clearly did, and neither did my mechanic. It's not a terribly loud sound, it can easily get lost in the noise of the truck or your conversations. You have to know what it sounds like, and listen for it. I've put a video here on the forum from another truck on a dyno, demonstrating the ping, even trying to isolate the sound as much as possible and many guys didn't hear it either.

The 6.4 in the 2500 has a very conservative tune. It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is no pinging under load in that truck.

 

[Burla]

Not sure what you mean by "simple V8". Given current emissions and fuel economy standards I don't think there is anything simple about any modern engine compared with engines from even 20 years ago. If you're talking about a V8 without cylinder deactivation or any kind of mild hybrid system then I agree completely. I don't see it happening, but I'd buy one as well.

The results of the last election will likely only delay the march to ZEV's. Auto companies are somewhat used to responding to the political changes that can happen every four years, and are forced to make decisions based on long term trends. In the end there is a very real chance than anything that happens in the next four years will be reversed anyway. So I don't see them investing a lot into bringing back a V8 option. I really hope I'm wrong about that.

just efi, low rpm tune, low HP = last forever and a day, no synthetic oil needed, lol. Simple CPU, no nothing no tire sensors no evic no nothing that can break. I think you could run codes with a paper clip all the way though 96, maybe longer. Started in late 60's fords and the reiteration of the 351 lasted through the nineties. I owned several of them, to me same ilk as Chevy 350's in those years. The engines we left behind for this MDS isht and now di turbo's. At some point before I'm dirt I'm gonna find a 90's Ford with a 351w and call it a day with a smile on my face.

 

[mikeru]

just efi, low rpm tune, low HP = last forever and a day, no synthetic oil needed, lol. Simple CPU, no nothing no tire sensors no evic no nothing that can break. I think you could run codes with a paper clip all the way though 96, maybe longer. Started in late 60's fords and the reiteration of the 351 lasted through the nineties. I owned several of them, to me same ilk as Chevy 350's in those years. The engines we left behind for this MDS isht and now di turbo's. At some point before I'm dirt I'm gonna find a 90's Ford with a 351w and call it a day with a smile on my face.

If you do find one of those, find out if she has a sister

 

[Burla]

If you do find one of those, find out if she has a sister

that's what I told one of my best friends, he just found a 12 valve Cummins for 10k. It's now his daily driver, lucky bastage! I kid you not, he found it in a barn, and I have the pic to prove it... The next 12 valve barn find he said is all mine, he finds these things he is in the "know".

 

[tjfdesmo]

The 6.4 in the 2500 has a very conservative tune. It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is no pinging under load in that truck.

I towed a 41' toy hauler with a 6.4/66RFE combo that went across the scales at 23,160 lbs, and even on long hard grades, at pretty good elevations, winding to the moon, it never pinged on 87 octane, which was its steady diet. The couple times I experimented with 89, the only difference I saw was a lighter wallet.

 

[nlambert182]

I'm gonna find a 90's Ford with a 351w and call it a day with a smile on my face.

Same here..... I want a 91 F150, stick shift regular cab 4x4 with a 351.

 

[oledirteh]

Same here..... I want a 91 F150, stick shift regular cab 4x4 with a 351.

View attachment 554712

i have this truck, except long bed and 460

 

[mikeru]

i have this truck, except long bed and 460

You can't make a statement like this without at least adding pics

 

[DanAR]

It's strange that you've had so much trouble with 87. I think I've ran one tank of 91, with no discernable difference. I've run 87, 88, 89, and on several occasions E30 (94) and I've never had any knock or noticeable difference in power. I don't tow super often but when I do it's usually kind of heavy, as I've been in the 20k pound neighborhood a number of times and even then, never an issue with 87. My brother's ram has the 6.4, tows all the time, and I know for a fact he only runs 87.

My 23 1500 seems to run just fine on 87 although I haven’t towed anything more than a small trailer for dirt and gravel. I’m not sure what the prices are like elsewhere but I went down to the Mobile pumps yesterday for some 87 lawnmower gas and noted that 89 octane was $.80 more a gallon and 93 octane was merely $.10 more than 89. If that is typical and I didn’t believe 87 was good enough, I don’t think I would mess with 89 octane. Might as well just get 93 for .10 cents more.

 

[oledirteh]

You can't make a statement like this without at least adding pics

if i remember to, ill take a pic when i get home. Picked it up for 500 bucks. was a PA plow truck.

well, found a pic

 

[mikeru]

if i remember to, ill take a pic when i get home. Picked it up for 500 bucks. was a PA plow truck.

well, found a pic

View attachment 554795

Did the $500 include the plow setup? Either way it was a really good deal for you. Thanks for the pic!

 

[Kickboxer]

You're not reading the article and comments. There is no chance of getting the 5.7 back because the tooling has been converted for the hurricane. They're not going to open a new factory for this when it can get shutdown in 4 years again.

The fact that cummins, pentastar, 3 different hemis (5.7, 6.4, 6.2 supercharged), 2 different hurricanes (SO, HO), ecodiesel etc all get dropped in these rams shows that integrating another v8 is not "monumentally expensive". I have no idea where you got that idea, it's not true in the slightest.




It's not just me. Others have complained about it on this forum, or logged it directly from their ECU. In fact, the Ram manual at one point even said something along the lines "a small amount of ping is normal". You don't put that in the manual if guys aren't hearing it.

The uncomfortable truth is that many guys:
A) can't hear it (ears aren't good enough anymore)
B) won't hear it (radio on, talking etc)
C) don't know what to listen for or what it sounds like
D) aren't in the same conditions (humidity, heat, load on the engine, gas quality etc)

I've had one of my brothers not hear a thing in my truck when I clearly did, and neither did my mechanic. It's not a terribly loud sound, it can easily get lost in the noise of the truck or your conversations. You have to know what it sounds like, and listen for it. I've put a video here on the forum from another truck on a dyno, demonstrating the ping, even trying to isolate the sound as much as possible and many guys didn't hear it either.

The 6.4 in the 2500 has a very conservative tune. It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is no pinging under load in that truck.

Ramful, I think you are just full of yourself. Stop it right now.
I suppose 90% of the miles on most Rams are driven on 87 octane.
Your drama is interesting

 

[oledirteh]

Did the $500 include the plow setup? Either way it was a really good deal for you. Thanks for the pic!

Yup couldn't pass it up

 

[ramffml]

Ramful, I think you are just full of yourself.

Personal attacks are uncalled for. Nobody harmed you.

Stop it right now.

Take your own advice.

I suppose 90% of the miles on most Rams are driven on 87 octane.
Your drama is interesting

I aim to please!

 

[jws123]

I found this article worth a read and found a new take on this: could Ram use Nissan's v8 from the Titan even if just limited numbers? IMHO this would be a very smart move depending on the effort it takes to integrate the ECU etc, but it could help both companies as Nissan is down right now as well. And that v8 has a good reputation (other than manifolds, lol)

Mopar V8 Rumors of 2024-2025

I dont feel like reading all the comments . However The titan engines SUCK! have rebuilt some at work they are crap.

 

[ramffml]

I dont feel like reading all the comments . However The titan engines SUCK! have rebuilt some at work they are crap.

Well good news, it seems that Ram is working on a new v8.

"Confirmed", new v8 is being fastracked at dodge

I really hope this is true. Apparently a smaller displacement magnum, not a hemi. This guys seems pretty confident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEWk2AtiT4c

www.ramforum.com

 

[nlambert182]

I dont feel like reading all the comments . However The titan engines SUCK! have rebuilt some at work they are crap.

What specifically makes them crap?

I would wholeheartedly disagree. Whether they stick them in a Ram or not... they're good engines and have been around a long time. I sold my 05 Titan with almost 200k on the ticker. Engine and trans functioned like new. Our current 2021 Armada has the same 5.6 that was in the 05. We're at 65k on it and it performs flawlessly.

I'm a Ram fan, but I can't speak down on the Nissan drivetrain. Frankly there have been less engine failures with the 5.6 than the Hemi with the cam/lifter issues.

 

[runamuck]

looks like they are going to have the 6.4 around for a while. could just offer a version of it in the 1500's for little new investment. GM still using their 6.2 I think. might be good for fleets and old guys like me that like less tech than the straight 6 to maintain.

 

[jws123]

What specifically makes them crap?

I would wholeheartedly disagree. Whether they stick them in a Ram or not... they're good engines and have been around a long time. I sold my 05 Titan with almost 200k on the ticker. Engine and trans functioned like new. Our current 2021 Armada has the same 5.6 that was in the 05. We're at 65k on it and it performs flawlessly.

I'm a Ram fan, but I can't speak down on the Nissan drivetrain. Frankly there have been less engine failures with the 5.6 than the Hemi with the cam/lifter issues.

May just be a few of the newer ones but they have piston slap we replaced the short block on a few already.