Will Ram use the Titan v8?

[tbird71]

I own a 2007 Titan XE which I bought brand spankin new, as you can see it's had the best of care and reg maintenence thru the years not one problem. it's got crank windows no stupid key fob cold air and a rockford fosgate stereo, I installed the 4x4 LE wheels and side steps as the only modification. Ram will never use the 5.6 IMO the Hemi is better for the RAM, and my 5.6 here will out live ME...when we finally downsize I'll sell my 2011 F150 and drive the Titan I've had two Rams and loved them but kept the Titan all along

 

[buckeyexx]

It’s funny this was even a posted. Just last month I traded my power wagon in on a 21 Nissan Titan pro 4x with the 5.6. While I did love my wagon I just didn’t see the need for the 3/4 ton anymore. I have towed with the Titan twice now and I can tell you it has just as much if not more get and go as the wagon did pulling the same trailer with the same cargo. Yes the wagon is more stable with the heavier weight but this 5.6 is no joke mated up to the 9 speed.
The 5.6 does not require premium fuel but you supposedly get an extra 10 horse when using it. So using 87 will get you 390 hp. and 400 hp using 93. Hardly notice the difference I’m sure so I just run 87 and its half the cost to fill up.

 

[tbird71]

Nice Pro 4! Mine will run E85 but gets no mileage runs great on 87, gets 18 or so highway and more power than I ever need I'm old school, a pickup MUST have a V8 at least one I own.

 

[M376X6]

Have run 87 on all my 5.7's. Depending on the vehicles I have or have had with the 6.4, the octane called for was either mid-grade or premium. The only problems I've ever had with over 2 million miles in Dodge or Ram engines was broken exhaust manifold studs in one of my Cummins and a 4 cylinder turbo in a Dart. The Dart engine was an Italian mess that had continuous problems. I thankfully traded it off after only 14K miles after needing a head replacement for burnt valves. Of note is that the Italian engine required Premium fuel, weird oil, and difficult to obtain filters, spark plugs, etc. etc.

 

[Ironhead3]

I found this article worth a read and found a new take on this: could Ram use Nissan's v8 from the Titan even if just limited numbers? IMHO this would be a very smart move depending on the effort it takes to integrate the ECU etc, but it could help both companies as Nissan is down right now as well. And that v8 has a good reputation (other than manifolds, lol)

Mopar V8 Rumors of 2024-2025

From what I hear from other owners, and what I know about my own Ram 5.7, Ram has as many troubles as Nissan does. Manifolds being one, cam and lifters another, oil pans rusting....there are 5 guys at work that own 4th and 5th gen 1500's and all have the same problems. One guy with two 5th gen 1500's had the oil pan replaced on both, and manifolds replaced on one.
We have 2 Nissan Titans at work here, and the 2013 with 350,000 km's (200,000 miles) on it we had no trouble with, but the 2017 Titan the motor was a little noisy (not as noisy as my 2019 1500 Classic with 32,000 miles on it) and in 2020 Nissan replaced the complete engine under warranty.
As long as Ram uses warranty like Nissan did, I wouldn't care, but Ram doesn't want to do anything about my valve train noise at 32k miles, or my oil pan blistering and rusting at 32k miles--"Oh we can replace it because it isn't leaking".....they would rather wait until I loose my oil and ruin an engine...what a crock of $%#.
I bought this truck new June 2020, and undercoated it when I first got it myself with Rust Check to ensure I get everything covered in either the Red Rust Check..the runny product for door, tailgate, rockers, etc. or the green Coat & Protect for underbody, frame etc.. I also put it on the hoist frequently and completely wash the underside, rocker panels, wheel wells, inside the frame, etc. to make sure no mud is laying anywhere and reapply the Rust Check.
I use the truck such as going in the woods and mudholes, but I don't abuse it.
Ram did paint the rocker panels on both sides after I had the truck for 9 months because the paint was falling off the rocker panels. And yes I put moulded Ram mud flaps front and rear before I even took it off the lot. That is another sour point. The "proper" Ram mud flaps chaffed through the paint behind all 4 wheels, and they wouldn't paint that under warranty.
In fact I painted it myself this weekend in the shop.....................
As you may be able to tell, I am not very impressed with Ram warranty, or at least the warranty at the local dealer.

 

[Tominator223]

IMO. Straight 6 or 8. Is the only engines I’ve seen that last as long as a v8. And the only boosted vehicles that last long are diesel. (Some exceptions)Now if that stormy 6 ,that dodge is using . Has taking notes from let’s say a 2jz 6 . It should be a long lasting beast. Time will tell. However if you need v8 power gas or i6 diesel & you have i4 or v6 & think it’s gonna last you’d be incorrect. Because they have to be at higher rpm & in boost to get that power so they wear out faster. Some low power i4’s in small cars will last as well. But I’m talking working vehicles not small cars.

 

[buckeyexx]

Nice Pro 4! Mine will run E85 but gets no mileage runs great on 87, gets 18 or so highway and more power than I ever need I'm old school, a pickup MUST have a V8 at least one I own.

Thanks! I’m liking it so far. And yes on the V8. Best I have achieved on the highway is around 20 and city I get around 13-14. The wagon was 10 city and best was 15-16 highway but it was on 35’s and a small Thuren lift. It’s really apples to oranges in comparison but it’s cheaper to drive the Titan for sure.

 

[Dusty]

Just a question - if the Hurricane 6 cyl has been around for several years in other lines, wouldn’t they already have had the tooling set up and running? Or has a second line been retooled from Hemi to Hurricane?

You hit it.

The assumption is that they converted a lot of "tooling" to produce a Hurricane. Tooling are the things that make or finish parts. Obviously both the 5.7/6.4 were in production when the Hurricane was released, so the tooling still exists. They're still making 5.7s and associated parts for future service replacements.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 122654 miles.

 

[TruckNut]

I’ve had 3 RAMs, the 2015 and 2017 both with the hemi. Great trucks. I now have a 2020 Pro4X king cab with the 5.6 and 9 speed. The fact that there is no start stop, no MDS and a minimum of nannies is a plus. I had a Ridgeline in betwee, (wanted smaller), but just not enough truck and the build quality was poor. The Titan is rock solid despite buying it as a 3 year old used vehicle. Just towed our 23’ to the beach and back and it was extremely competent. Love that V-8. Trouble with king cab now is manufacturers relegate the cheap base trims to the king cabs and you can’t get leather, heated seats/wheel, etc., etc..

 

[David Roark]

That article is wrong in saying that the 5.7 Hemi “requires” 89 octane gas. It’s recommended to run 89 but I’ve only ever run 87 octane in the Hemi engines I’ve owned.

I don’t think it’s just a V8 that Ram owners want, it’s specifically a Hemi V8. I don’t think I’d consider a Nissan powered Ram truck. I’ve owned Nissan vehicles and their engines have had their own issues. Even with it’s flaws I’d rather it have the Hemi, mainly because I’m familiar with it.

I own an E-torque 2020. What can I do to make it last or can I undo it?

 

[mikeru]

I own an E-torque 2020. What can I do to make it last or can I undo it?

Not sure why you quoted my post for this question, but my advice is to at a minimum follow the manufacturer's maintenance schedule. I'd cut the oil change interval to 5k miles but we only put about 5k miles on our Ram per year so it's still about once per year that I change the oil.

I don't know what would be involved in removing the etorque system if that's what you're asking. If that's not what you're asking then please clarify what you mean by "can I undo it?".

 

[Snowchief]

Not true. Guys here on this forum and other charger/challenger forums have data logged their hemis on 87 and it's not healthy at all to run 87. Keep in mind that knock sensors are reactive, the knock occurs first (because it really wants the higher octane, that's what its tuned for and gravitates towards), it hears the knock using what are basically specialized microphones, then ******* timing. Knock/ping is not healthy.

Just another one of those FCA things, they tell you one thing (87 is "ok") but you should definitely ignore them.

I was caught out in some small rural town once a few years ago and needed to fuel up with 87 while towing my trailer home, hour later I was going up and down some good grades and the pinging I heard was terrible, like a scurry of squirrels up front shaking their marbles. Never again.

Sorry can’t agree I’ve towed heavy with 03,06,09,19,&22 all Hemis on 87 pump no pinging no problem.

 

[nlambert182]

You hit it.

The assumption is that they converted a lot of "tooling" to produce a Hurricane. Tooling are the things that make or finish parts. Obviously both the 5.7/6.4 were in production when the Hurricane was released, so the tooling still exists. They're still making 5.7s and associated parts for future service replacements.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 122654 miles.

Not necessarily.... SOME tooling may still exist and a couple of lines may exist with it, but it doesn't mean they didn't convert some number of assembly lines and the associated tooling to the Hurricane if they anticipate demand for that engine to increase while demand for the 5.7 Hemi to decrease. It's a simple supply/demand issue where they will find the equilibrium.

A production line is expensive to sit idle and not operate at 100% capacity. If the 5.7 is either going away or slowing down production they will have to fill that with something else to keep it operating. So that would either mean convert it to a 6.4 line or convert it to the Hurricane. That decision would yet again, depend on supply/demand.

 

[DanAR]

I have to admit that the Titan does intrigue me a bit. I went by a Nissan dealer last Sunday just to see what one looked like and how it appeared to compare to my RAM. It was only after I parked and got out and walked on the lot that I realized they didn’t have a single Titan anywhere. Either they are in short supply or they are selling well. Or maybe both.

 

[nlambert182]

They sell surprisingly well around here except for the XD with the Cummins when it was out. There are a lot of for sale ads for those trucks right now and they sit for a long time. The Titans with the 5.6 are selling for more here than a low mile Cummins equivalent. I looked at a few when deciding if I was going to move back from a 1500. I considered the gasser XD to get a little more payload than my 1500, but ultimately decided that I wanted a bigger buffer and went back to a Ram 2500. If I were in the market for another gasser, I'd seriously consider it.

 

[runamuck]

I towed our 28' 6000# travel trailer all over the place with our '19 laramie 1500 ccsb 4x4 5.7 hemi 3.92 ORP and always ran 87 except a couple tanks when it was 100* outside and towing, I ran some mid grade. didnt seem to make any difference. I always got around 20 on the highway when not towing and 8.5-10 when towing if I didnt go over 70 very much. I would still have that truck if we had not bought a 5th wheel trailer.

 

[mikeru]

I have to admit that the Titan does intrigue me a bit. I went by a Nissan dealer last Sunday just to see what one looked like and how it appeared to compare to my RAM. It was only after I parked and got out and walked on the lot that I realized they didn’t have a single Titan anywhere. Either they are in short supply or they are selling well. Or maybe both.

It's not surprising since they've discontinued production on the Titan after the 2024 model year. They're getting hard to find in a lot of areas.

 

[Gary Fields]

In the future, either Stellantis with their future replacement CEO, or whoever buys the remains of Chrysler/Jeep after they are declared bankrupt, will see the need to compete with a V8. The cost to retool to remake the Hemi will be large but will be needed to compete in the market. Trucks, and their owners, require the durability and usefulness of a regular V8. People I have spoken to don't doubt the Hurricane 6 can provide the same power but they generally feel it's going to fall apart by 75,000 miles. The complexity of twin turbos and everything that goes with them does not add to longevity. If I had to buy a truck today it would not have be a RAM. Ram made some of the best trucks for years. They drove great, were comfortable, the powertrain worked great and just were a pleasure to drive. The current offering just does not compare.

 

[mikeru]

In the future, either Stellantis with their future replacement CEO, or whoever buys the remains of Chrysler/Jeep after they are declared bankrupt, will see the need to compete with a V8. The cost to retool to remake the Hemi will be large but will be needed to compete in the market. Trucks, and their owners, require the durability and usefulness of a regular V8. People I have spoken to don't doubt the Hurricane 6 can provide the same power but they generally feel it's going to fall apart by 75,000 miles. The complexity of twin turbos and everything that goes with them does not add to longevity. If I had to buy a truck today it would not have be a RAM. Ram made some of the best trucks for years. They drove great, were comfortable, the powertrain worked great and just were a pleasure to drive. The current offering just does not compare.

While I agree with you about the desire a lot of truck buyers have for a V8, I have to disagree with your comments about longevity of truck engines with twin turbos. Ford has shown that not to be true. While early EcoBoost engines had some issues, most of the problems didn't involve anything having to do with the turbos.

 

[nlambert182]

Most early Ecoboost problems were centered around direct injection and carbon fouling.

Direct injection was a side effect of designing an engine for max efficiency while using turbos. It also required different intake valves. Because there is no fuel washing over the valves, it lead to the carbon build up. Also required were more frequent coil and spark plug changes for the same reason.

Another side effect of running turbos is that the heat breaks down the oil faster so the EB engine didn't allow for much forgiveness with oil change intervals. Timing chain wear, cam phaser wear, chain tensioners, etc...

All that aside, there have been a noteworthy amount of turbo issues on the earlier models. Some failures, some turbo fitting leaks (it's a 10 hr labor job at the dealer to fix), intercooler leaks, coolant leaks, etc..

Yes, Ford has addressed a lot of those by now but it wasn't an easy road and these engines are still fairly new in comparison to the naturally aspirated V6/V8 engines of your favorite flavor. They are unforgiving with maintenance intervals though, so if you intend to run one be militant with it. The old V8s are much more forgiving.