Worried About the DPF? Read This. Replacing The DPF May Become a Thing of the Past

[Goose55]

I just read this just published Diesel Forum.og article on Renewable Diesel Fuel. Anyone here have any knowledge about this, where it is available, etc? Thanks!
"After running Renewable Diesel in our vehicles for a while, I noticed that I was not taking my trucks out of service for routine maintenance as often as before the switch. When I was using other fuels, I had to take the trucks out to do a DPF service every 6 to 8 months. We’ve been using Neste MY for about a year, and we have never had to clean them yet.”

Gustavo Deleon, vice president, 18 Trucking

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[Goose55]

This is a great short read.

Why is Neste MY Renewable Diesel an excellent choice? | Neste

Making more sustainable choices is becoming the norm in the transport and logistics industries. There are various alternative fuels available and comparing them can be a puzzling challenge.

journeytozerostories.neste.com

 

[Goose55]

What is Neste’s NEXBTL™ Technology?

How do we turn a wide variety of renewable raw materials, even low-quality wastes and residues into high-quality renewable and circular solutions? We use our...

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[Goose55]

Looks like from this, Renewable Diesel fuel is currently still only available in California

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Alternative Fueling Station Locator

 

[Randy Grant]

Looks like from this, Renewable Diesel fuel is currently still only available in California

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Alternative Fueling Station Locator

Moving to CA ?

 

[SniperDroid]

In the 70's we learned we don't care WTF they do in Kalifornia...

 

[Goose55]

Moving to CA ?

No, but I wrote to all of the Arizona Legislative Representatives urging them to act on making this fuel available. When I was a young man we could clear as crystal see all the way across the Phoenix Valley to the Superstition Mountains--60 miles away. Not today. The skies over Phoenix are now a depressing yellow-brown

 

[Goose55]

Rotterdam renewable diesel refinery in the Netherlands....

 

[joshuaeb09]

Renewable Diesel is just the proper way to process biodiesel by turning it into something usable and good and not an annoyance that sucks (BioDiesel). It typically has a cetane north of 60 and runs clean, but also isn't common to find here in the states. As much as we get demonized here in the US deisels are actually far easier to make "clean" than gasoline. There are multiple avenues to synthetic diesel with renewable being one of them. Gasoline, not so much as of yet unless you count corn gas....

 

[Travelin Ram]

I have believed for a long time there’s been inadequate investment in synthetic fuel development. Use renewable wind or solar to run the production plants. Liquid combustible fuel has a much higher energy density than batteries.

 

[Goose55]

No, but I wrote to all of the Arizona Legislative Representatives urging them to act on making this fuel available. When I was a young man we could clear as crystal see all the way across the Phoenix Valley to the Superstition Mountains--60 miles away. Not today. The skies over Phoenix are now a depressing yellow-brown

Guess what? Of the over 100 members of the Arizona Legislators, guess how many of them read my email? Three. And none of the 3 replied.

 

[John Jensen]

Renewable Diesel is just the proper way to process biodiesel by turning it into something usable and good and not an annoyance that sucks (BioDiesel). It typically has a cetane north of 60 and runs clean, but also isn't common to find here in the states. As much as we get demonized here in the US deisels are actually far easier to make "clean" than gasoline. There are multiple avenues to synthetic diesel with renewable being one of them. Gasoline, not so much as of yet unless you count corn gas....

Not true.
Renewable diesel is not "just the proper way to process biodiesel".
Renewable diesel or biomass diesel and biodiesel are two different diesel substitutes.
Biofuels
Biodiesel is not renewable diesel

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[Fediej]

Guess what? Of the over 100 members of the Arizona Legislators, guess how many of them read my email? Three. And none of the 3 replied.

I'm sensing you're not really surprised.

 

[Travelin Ram]

Guess what? Of the over 100 members of the Arizona Legislators, guess how many of them read my email? Three. And none of the 3 replied.

Apparently you don’t employ lobbyists or visit Epstein island.

 

[runamuck]

not stirring the pot but am curious what is renewable about wind and solar. I dont hear much about the recycling of the panels but I HAVE seen the giant holes in the ground west of here where they are burying turbine blades after cutting them into shorter pcs. there is a finite number of hours the turbines are good for and I hear that if you see one not turning it is usually needing repair or replacement and that the price of that is too high to commit to or parts and repairmen are in short supply. last week when we had a cpl. days of an ice storm here in Texas I took a look at the ERCOT website where you can see the total grid power available and draw in real time and of course we had way more available power than demand but it was interesting to see quite a bit of wattage being produced by wind and almost none by solar except a tiny amount right in the middle part of the day. I guess it was windy in west texas but also mostly cloudy. glad we had the 65+% coming from nat gas.

 

[joshuaeb09]

Not true.
Renewable diesel is not "just the proper way to process biodiesel".
Renewable diesel or biomass diesel and biodiesel are two different diesel substitutes.
Biofuels
Biodiesel is not renewable diesel

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True, but also not 100% true. You can use the same feed stocks that are used to make Biodiesel to make renewable diesel. Biodiesel just aims to take a Bio feed stock and make it into FAME (Fatty Acid Methyl Ester). These Esters have all the bad qualities that folks hate about Biodiesel with some good qualities such as lubrication and cleaning abilities. Converting that same feed stock into renewable diesel nets a product that one might call a true synthetic diesel with all the qualities of good ol petro-diesel if it was hyper-refined.

Biodiesel and Renewable Diesel: What’s the Difference? - farmdoc daily

Maria Gerveni, Todd Hubbs, and Scott Irwin - Scott Irwin -

farmdocdaily.illinois.edu

 

[2Tallguy]

I just read this just published Diesel Forum.og article on Renewable Diesel Fuel. Anyone here have any knowledge about this, where it is available, etc? Thanks!
"After running Renewable Diesel in our vehicles for a while, I noticed that I was not taking my trucks out of service for routine maintenance as often as before the switch. When I was using other fuels, I had to take the trucks out to do a DPF service every 6 to 8 months. We’ve been using Neste MY for about a year, and we have never had to clean them yet.”

Gustavo Deleon, vice president, 18 Trucking

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We're seeing it everywhere in San Diego. Near zero diesel smell anymore and the lie-o-meter reads the same as petro diesel on my '07 5.9 Cummins. It doesn't have the scouring action of biofuel in that concentration either. I like it. There's a company with a fleet of medium duty local delivery trucks that has seen less injector and dpf issues with it.

 

[2Tallguy]

True, but also not 100% true. You can use the same feed stocks that are used to make Biodiesel to make renewable diesel. Biodiesel just aims to take a Bio feed stock and make it into FAME (Fatty Acid Methyl Ester). These Esters have all the bad qualities that folks hate about Biodiesel with some good qualities such as lubrication and cleaning abilities. Converting that same feed stock into renewable diesel nets a product that one might call a true synthetic diesel with all the qualities of good ol petro-diesel if it was hyper-refined.

Biodiesel and Renewable Diesel: What’s the Difference? - farmdoc daily

Maria Gerveni, Todd Hubbs, and Scott Irwin - Scott Irwin -

farmdocdaily.illinois.edu

True. It's about 20 cents/gallon more expensive here but my truck likes it.

 

[John Jensen]

True. It's about 20 cents/gallon more expensive here but my truck likes it.

I'm buying at the 76 stations. So far the price is the same as their fossil diesel.
You say, "We're seeing it everywhere in San Diego". I've only seen it at the 76 stations, where is "everywhere"?

 

[joshuaeb09]

True. It's about 20 cents/gallon more expensive here but my truck likes it.

It's that crazy cetane since most renewable diesel is north of 70. I really wish we could get it down here in Texas, but the best I can do is make sure I'm filling up on the right side of the TX LED cutoff line. In TXLED counties we at-least get mandated 48 cetane instead of the usual 40 cetane mandated minimum. If I don't dose the non TX LED fuel with HSS or similar my DPF will start soot loading unless I'm doing straight highway steady state running.