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But it also is a sales gimmick. When I look for a vehicle one of the things I look for is cost to own which includes maintenance costs. Throw 3 fluid changes @ $500+ onto those costs it adds up.
Some people ask questions like you suggest but I think that is the minority of buyers. I personally don't focus on the cost of ownership but I pretty much know that going in from pre-purchase research. I've been tagging with my wife as she has been shopping for a new Bronco, for some reason, she wants one. She never asks about maintenance items or cost to maintain, she is interested in vehicle aesthetics, ride quality, cabin road noise, will her astronomy telescopes fit in the back, does it have a heated steering wheel and seats, etc., that is what is important to her. She chose the Bronco over the Bronco Sport simply because the infotainment display was fully integrated into the dash. She doesn't care or even think about the tire tread life, time between oil changes, cost of filters, etc. That is what I think about but not her and she is likely the majority of car shoppers.

The last dealer we were at offered up free lifetime oil changes (here we go again, lifetime) and tire rotations, she didn't think much of it and I know what a pain it is to run to the dealer for that type of service. I think I will just do the oil and rotations myself or as long as my aging body will allow.

Once she completed her process of choosing the new vehicle she wanted and it had the options she demanded, she focused on the price of the vehicle. It took a few dealer visits but she found one that would sell her what she wanted for the price she was willing to pay. So the Bronco Outer Banks with lifetime oil changes and tire rotations has been ordered. While we wait for the vehicle, I guess I will investigate what the Bronceo's service requirements are.
 

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I looked it up, the gasoline powertrain is 5 years or 60K miles, the diesel powertrain is 5 years or 100K miles.

My oldest son works for ZF albeit the group he is in is the mid-level driveline, delivery vehicles, and one-ton pickup type vehicles. He will be here to feed on Thanksgiving and I'll ask him what he knows about it. Before switching jobs, he worked in Chrysler's powertrain group on the ED program, back around 2013 through 2018.
For those interested, I asked him about the ZF lifetime, and he responded correct, that is why the transmission is sealed. I asked what is the definition of lifetime, he said they figure the lifetime to be 150,000 miles (ah, so lifetime has a limit). I asked what about those that tow the majority of the time in the heat of Arizona or the cold of Alaska, he said they ran extensive tests well outside of the limits of the average driver at both the Arizona proving grounds as well as the Northern Michigan proving grounds with no issues. He also reminded me the ZF8 speed used in Chrysler vehicles is made by ZF (in Germany) and by Chrysler under license.

Then I asked how many transmission failures did he see. He said his group would only see/hear about transmission failures that occurred under the new vehicle warranty (three-year 60,000 or 100,000 and not Maxcare) and if the failure was undetermined then they would get it for a forensics study. He did not recall one failure pointing at the lubricity or other fault of the fluid.

I sometimes referenced "he" and "they" but I'm really referencing the powertrain group, driveline. For what it is worth.
 

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For those interested, I asked him about the ZF lifetime, and he responded correct, that is why the transmission is sealed. I asked what is the definition of lifetime, he said they figure the lifetime to be 150,000 miles (ah, so lifetime has a limit). I asked what about those that tow the majority of the time in the heat of Arizona or the cold of Alaska, he said they ran extensive tests well outside of the limits of the average driver at both the Arizona proving grounds as well as the Northern Michigan proving grounds with no issues. He also reminded me the ZF8 speed used in Chrysler vehicles is made by ZF (in Germany) and by Chrysler under license.

Then I asked how many transmission failures did he see. He said his group would only see/hear about transmission failures that occurred under the new vehicle warranty (three-year 60,000 or 100,000 and not Maxcare) and if the failure was undetermined then they would get it for a forensics study. He did not recall one failure pointing at the lubricity or other fault of the fluid.

I sometimes referenced "he" and "they" but I'm really referencing the powertrain group, driveline. For what it is worth.
I'm still more inclined to believe ZF's service reconmendations over your son.They say service the transmission between 80,000 kilometers and 130,000 kms or 8 years,and they'd see more of the transmissions then your son would have seen.Not saying your son is wrong,but it sounds like his group only seen a fraction of the transmissions that blew up,and Michigan doesn't really get cold in my opinion,lol
 

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I'm still more inclined to believe ZF's service reconmendations over your son.
First of all, my son made NO service suggestion, he simply answered a few questions that were floating around this thread. Like I said in my post, for what it was worth. I did not post our conversation so he could be challenged over something not said. Damn!
 

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First of all, my son made NO service suggestion, he simply answered a few questions that were floating around this thread. Like I said in my post, for what it was worth. I did not post our conversation so he could be challenged over something not said. Damn!
You're commenting on a thread about ZF service reconmendations,where you brought up the life expectancy of the transmission is a 150,000 miles. I only pointed out a few points in your post that are fairly obvious points. Basically the way i read your post,it sounds like your son is saying the fluid doesn't need changing ,because of this comment of his "He did not recall one failure pointing at the lubricity or other fault of the fluid.".I'm not sure how you'd read that comment,but that's the way i read it,so maybe you should step back and look at that comment from the angle the rest of us looked at it. You're trying to read way more into my post then i put there,so don't be getting all upset
 

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You're commenting on a thread about ZF service reconmendations,where you brought up the life expectancy of the transmission is a 150,000 miles. I only pointed out a few points in your post that are fairly obvious points. Basically the way i read your post,it sounds like your son is saying the fluid doesn't need changing ,because of this comment of his "He did not recall one failure pointing at the lubricity or other fault of the fluid.".I'm not sure how you'd read that comment,but that's the way i read it,so maybe you should step back and look at that comment from the angle the rest of us looked at it. You're trying to read way more into my post then i put there,so don't be getting all upset
I guess that is an issue with Internet forums, what I was trying to say versus how it is interrupted. I regret saying anything.
 

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I guess that is an issue with Internet forums, what I was trying to say versus how it is interrupted. I regret saying anything.
You're call,not mine. I'm just pointing out how your comments came across
 
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