Looks like I'm never buying RAM again...

Tonysr said:

The bad is that you don't get the good ole Hemi sound that we all will miss.

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What sound is that? "CLACK CLACK CLACK" of the lifters coming apart?

KalboKalbs said:

But, BUT, BUT, It's Green.

Change CAN be good. This is NOT one of those cases.

Fed mandates create nothing but problems.

Government is NOT the solution. Government IS the problem.

There is nothing good about the Green line of crap from the Feds and tree huggers.

EVs. The (NOT) solution where there is NO problem.

Capitalism and market forces, consumer choice, is the best solution.

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I guess you weren't around in the 60's when we couldn't breath the air around cities and rivers caught fire from the pollution floating on the top. Yeah, letting corporations do their thing without oversight worked just fine back then.

Tonysr said:

reason for the inline dual turbo 6 cylinder Huricane engine is that paying a fine for the HEMI engine is costing Stelantis about 2 billion a year to EPA because of corporate fuel economy. It also reflects on the cost of the Ram truck especially with the Hemi engine. The new Hurricane engine gets better fuel economy and more HP and torque up to 420 hp for the standard and 469 ftlbs torque. The High Output gets 540 hp and 521 ftlbs torque. So its a more powerful engine and with turbo it maintains its power when going to high altitude like Colorado mountains on I-70 or others where the air is thinner. The bad is that you don't get the good ole Hemi sound that we all will miss.

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I read an article that it's barely improved the MPG, like maybe 1 MPG. I understand the pressure from the EPA though. Just glad I was able to pickup one with the V8. I do realize it will likely be my last V8 though. Just need to make it last.

Also curious how the I6 turbo is going to be for reliability. I'm sure we'll know more about that in a year or two when people are putting on more than 100K miles.

I have heard people say they will never buy a 6 cylinder turbo, also that they refuse to pay $60K for a truck. Good luck with that, because that likely means you're never getting a new truck again. Curious if Ford eventually discontinues the V8 5.0 or even the 6.2. I don't follow Chevy, but the 5.3 was never that good to begin with from what I've read.

I'll be okay for a few years mostly because I'm too cheap to buy any thing new. But if I weren't I'm not really sure where you'd go Chevy/GM is installing 4 cyl turbo's and Ford has been on the 6 cylinder Eco boost bandwagon for a while now. I wonder what the choices on the lot actually are.

I bought my 2008 Ram 1500 during the big equalizer and I bought it because I found it had a brand new engine installed 10.000 miles prior.. I love my truck. I just got rid of my 1996 Dakota SLT with the Magnum and to be honest I got friggen emotional. I had it for 20 years and raised my daughter in it. Way more dependable than her mother...
Looked better too... I will probably keep this truck till the end.

Black-Wolf said:

So, on a whim, I headed over to RAM's website to check out trucks (I like to "window shop" occasionally) - and I was sorely disappointed to discover that they're no longer going to produce any V8 trucks... I hate anything that is 6- or 4- cylinder and refuse to buy anything with those type of engines. So, needless to say, unless I go with something used, or they decide to start producing V8s again, I'll never be buying a RAM truck again. That sucks, because they HAD (IMHO) the best trucks on the market. The 2024 TRX is way overpriced as well - and it's going to be the last model with a V8.

That being said, what are your thoughts on this?

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I just went on the RAM Trucks website and I can build a 2023 1500 Warlock with a 5.7 Hemi? And for the Tradesman, the V-8 is the only engine option. Were you looking at something different? I think you can still get the 6.4 Hemi in the 2500 series too. Or, you can go diesel.

Black-Wolf said:

So, on a whim, I headed over to RAM's website to check out trucks (I like to "window shop" occasionally) - and I was sorely disappointed to discover that they're no longer going to produce any V8 trucks... I hate anything that is 6- or 4- cylinder and refuse to buy anything with those type of engines. So, needless to say, unless I go with something used, or they decide to start producing V8s again, I'll never be buying a RAM truck again. That sucks, because they HAD (IMHO) the best trucks on the market. The 2024 TRX is way overpriced as well - and it's going to be the last model with a V8.

That being said, what are your thoughts on this?

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My Pentastar has more horsepower and torque than any V8 that I grew up loving. In fact it's a marvel of engineering that GM could make so little power using 400+ cubic inches! Plus my Ram is more reliable and has great gas mileage. The last V8 I had blew up because it had that awful AFM garbage technology that GM knows is garbage since it failed miserably when they put it Cadillac and called it Northstar. I for one don't care how many cylinders I have just so long as it's NOT electric! ICE beat out EVs at the dawn of the invention of the automobile and it's about to do it again when hydrogen and alternative fuels come to play.

I noticed this trend at Ford a few years ago. The salesman basically said they get the same horsepower because they are turbo charged. But my past experience with turbo charged engines is that they don't seem to last as long. And if that tubo breaks down, it's a lot of $$ to replace. At least it used to be.

18CrewDually said:

Hardly even worth mentioning. Plus results will vary.

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And you have to run Premium fuel with the Turbo.

I did not read every post here so sorry if this has already be brought up.

With that said I did stop in a few weeks ago a drove a Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the Hurricane HO... NO V8 sound... I really want to go back in a try towing my trailer, but have not had time. Obviously, different vehicles but you can get an idea for the engine performance... but I'm thinking at this point it will be a Ford again or a 2500 V8. To be fair I should say power wise it did drive nice. Again that was not towing.

I did put $100 down on a RamCharger just to open that door of possibilities... The projected specs and capability look nice but what will the life of the batteries be? Will there be any resale value if the battery life is less...

I read and article yesterday about a lady with a Nissan Pathfinder that she could not have her breaks change at her local shop. It had to go back to the dealer. This was due to not have the right proprietary computer software to work on the car... I should note the article definitely was not written by a car guy... There were lots of holes in it and I think I had many more question after reading it then before. I'm sure we will adapt, but I still prefer the V8. Also read an article on how car companies are selling date to the insurance companies about your specific driving habits thus affecting your rates.... All thanks to the cars being so connected... I like the toys but, keep your tracking crap off my car... of course you don't have a choice they bury that ithe the infotainment system that you have to agree to or it can't be used...

I remember buying my 2013 with the 8 speed. Then Ford came out with the 10 speed, I though for sure we would see each manufacture getting more until settling on a sweet spot... Guess not...

This is all about an agenda not what it best for us.

David Langford said:

I just went on the RAM Trucks website and I can build a 2023 1500 Warlock with a 5.7 Hemi? And for the Tradesman, the V-8 is the only engine option. Were you looking at something different? I think you can still get the 6.4 Hemi in the 2500 series too. Or, you can go diesel.

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I was looking at the 2024 year models. Yes, the 2023's are still up - but next year, you won't be able to build a truck (at least at this time) with a V8. Only an I6.

tjfdesmo said:

Did I say "more reliable"? How reliable is reliable? 200K, 300K? For the vast majority of owners, a gas engine that goes 200K without major failures would likely be considered "reliable". There will likely be teething issues, but I'd wager the Hurricane will do that.

Oh, and having owned an old 2.3 Turbo Volvo "tractor engine", I can safely say they were more reliable than the normally aspirated PVR V-6 they also used. Just one example.

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You're conflating reliability with longevity.

I love the v8s. The sound with a proper exhaust. All of that is going away with the 4 &6 cylinder trucks and hybrids and fully electric. Unless of course- you want 2500 or 3500….. the sound of silence will be deafening….

Jas34 said:

I guess you weren't around in the 60's when we couldn't breath the air around cities and rivers caught fire from the pollution floating on the top. Yeah, letting corporations do their thing without oversight worked just fine back then.

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But it isn't 1960's and we breathe clean air without rivers catching fire. So what is the goal of the climate cult hysteria??

skates15 said:

Grab a new 2024 while you can.

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That’s what I did. Traded me 2016 Expedition for a 2024 1500.

BenWade said:

But it isn't 1960's and we breathe clean air without rivers catching fire. So what is the goal of the climate cult hysteria??

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Follow the money.

BenWade said:

You're conflating reliability with longevity.

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Not if it's both, and the comparison is valid. I am not conflating anything.

tjfdesmo said:

Not if it's both, and the comparison is valid. I am not conflating anything.

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Are you saying turbo charged engines are both more reliable and durable??

At altitude everything needs and has turbos. I have seen very few fail in all my years as a heavy equipment mechanic. They almost always make it until the engine gets rebuilt. I've always been amazed considering the speeds they run and the fact that few operators let the engines cool down a bit before shutting off the fuel. Not Good!

Hmmm..seems like alot of things you "read" or "hear" about is dropped out there for a purpose..and it is not to satisfy the averge truck guy. More to "direct him" to where "they" want your dollar to go. Use your own brain cells, do not be influenced until you have "Just ther Facts Ma'am..just ther facts". Then you can make an educated, intelligent decision. For this old -art with just 5 summers left on this planet, I will fix,polish and drive my baby Warlock until the sun don't shine...what the heck you gotta be happy..

BenWade said:

Why can't we have the V8 and enjoy the best of both worlds?

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Physics, mostly, given you need fuel to create more energy.

What V8 is making the level of power the hi-po is at the same mpg? Ever? In any truck? Chevy's 6.2L gets nearly the same mpg, but is down 120 hp and 60 ft/lb vs the Hurricane in it's most fuel efficient trim. There's no way to create 150 hp from thin air without adding fuel to that thin air, regardless of number of cylinders...