Hurricane durability questions?

mikeru · Apr 2, 2024

TruckNut said:
No oil dipstick? What is the thinking behind this..........kind of like to know the amount of oil consumption and making sure level is proper. I really don't like sealed transmissions without dipsticks either. Makes filling to the correct level a bit tricky, at least in the Titan Jatco 9 speed.

I know it seems strange to not have a dipstick. But as an Audi owner I've gotten used to it. Many european brands haven't included dipsticks for years. On my Audi I check the oil level using the infotainment system. There is actually a dipstick tube (used for oil extraction when the dealership changes the oil), and there are aftermarket dipsticks available for most of those cars that come without them. Seems like a bigger deal than it actually is.

TruckNut · Apr 2, 2024

mikeru said:
I know it seems strange to not have a dipstick. But as an Audi owner I've gotten used to it. Many european brands haven't included dipsticks for years. On my Audi I check the oil level using the infotainment system. There is actually a dipstick tube (used for oil extraction when the dealership changes the oil), and there are aftermarket dipsticks available for most of those cars that come without them. Seems like a bigger deal than it actually is.

I had a 2018 Mini Cooper like that and never quite trusted the "electronic info" on oil level, but I never had a problem with it. Just old fashioned I guess and like the visual of seeing oil on a stick, lol.

mikeru · Apr 2, 2024

TruckNut said:
I had a 2018 Mini Cooper like that and never quite trusted the "electronic info" on oil level, but I never had a problem with it. Just old fashioned I guess and like the visual of seeing oil on a stick, lol.

I'd be more worried about it after the vehicle is several years old or has high mileage. Like anything else electronic, it's only as good as the sensors providing the data. Which is why I bought one of those aftermarket dipsticks I mentioned earlier for my Audi LOL.

mikeru · Apr 2, 2024

Edward Hands said:
Exhaust manifolds on a turbo will need to far more robust than what was ever used on the Hemi.
And will far more difficult to change out as well...

I've read that the exhaust manifolds are cast as part of the cylinder head on at least one of the two variants of the Hurricane. I haven't seen one for myself to confirm this though.

Riccochet · Apr 2, 2024

Why are people concerned about trans fluid levels? Is your trans leaking? If so, get the leak fixed. If not, then the fluid level will not change. It's a sealed system.

Riccochet · Apr 2, 2024

mikeru said:
I've read that the exhaust manifolds are cast as part of the cylinder head on at least one of the two variants of the Hurricane. I haven't seen one for myself to confirm this though.

You might be thinking of the pentastar 3.6.

But looking at photos of the 3.0 Hurrican you might be right. It looks like the turbo's are bolted directly to the head. They should spool pretty dang quick like that.

Rlaf75 · Apr 2, 2024

I'll be keeping my 21 5.7 non -torque as long as I can

Bighorn John · Apr 2, 2024

I’m with you on keeping it as long as possible. I Have 2022 Bighorn non-E torque and hope it lasts as long as my older brothers 1st Gen 2003 Hemi. He just hit 351,000 and had first issue internally with a broken valve spring on original motor and trans. Some of the new tech is nice but some is so new it needs bugs worked out before I’d even consider them.

Docwagon1776 · Apr 2, 2024

Riccochet said:
Why are people concerned about trans fluid levels? Is your trans leaking? If so, get the leak fixed. If not, then the fluid level will not change. It's a sealed system.

If you never unseal your sealed system, your point is completely valid. If you intend to open it for maintenance, less so. Checking a dipstick under the hood with a 'cold' and 'hot' mark is significantly easier to verify correct fluid levels after maintenance than getting under the truck, using a scan tool to verify temperature range while checking it, etc.

barr0208 · Apr 3, 2024

Docwagon1776 said:
Is it working hard all the time, though? Given the peak power and where it comes in the curve, and the fact there's a bajillion people running these trucks with an *NA V6* that makes significantly less power, why would it be working hard constantly? Seems like the pentastar would be the one working hard all the time since it needs to spin more to get into it's power range and it's got less power to begin with.

So much this and exactly where I'm at. I don't expect to need a truck for 10 years or more at this point and don't know I'll ever buy a new one again. Not because of the motor choice but because of the increasing risk of mandated 'safety features' like automated driver monitoring that may be required by the time I'm in the market again. Good luck to the beta testers, because it is very much an unknown at this point...but at least it'll have plenty of grunt when it's working.

JoeFriday · Apr 7, 2024

Dodge 1500 4X4 said:
Ferd did the Plasma arc lined cylinder sleeve bore, W low tension piston rings, on the 2018 5.0 cayote for it to be an oil pumper and use a Qt of oil every 2,000, there fix was to give you an upgraded dip stick W hash marks moved and told customers to add another Qt of motor oil when refilling.

You are telling my story here....I am the owner of a 2018 Ford F150 Lariat with the 5.0 Coyote engine..... Started noticing oil consumption at about 65k miles. I change my oil every 3500 - 4k miles until the issues began.

I had the Ford tsb that reprogrammed the PCM module and got the longer dipstick....seems to be a bit better....did an oil consumption test afterwards at the dealer and it used just under 1 qt of oil in 3k miles which was considered normal by Ford. I question that and think there is something about the plasma welded liners causing issues.

I am looking at the 2025 RAM.....I like everything about it but my common sense side says to back off because of this being a new engine.....and only being direct injection instead of dual direct and port injection like Ford and Toyota use (to eliminate the carbon buildup on the intake valves that direct injection only injectors cause).....

Haven't made up my mind yet...but leaning towards an F150 with 3.5 twin turbo. They are on their 3rd Gen of this engine...seemed to have worked the issues out of it...and unlike my 5.0.....the 3.5 has iron liners instead of the plasma welded ones.

Mister Luck · Apr 7, 2024

Oil lines need to be larger and the radiator is like 4 gallons not 2 so anyone guess what temps a hot exhaust side of a turbocharger gets ?
Inter cooler is only for intake is “water to air” but is probably still anemic for the HO …
AND fuel consumption…
that’s the joke it’s the same as the V-8 but worse in the HO.

I think Stellatis is just using this as an afterthought
( Green Washing ) until hydrogen technology or electric battery generators are refined .
I’m all for a coal burning hydro electric power plant just to cut out the middleman for the charging stations and to the ridiculous gasoline prices.

Oh and where’s their a reliable source of 91 or better fuel that’s not 10% or better made with corn ? 80% of the HO’s will die of starvation and heat exhaustion within the first year of ownership

Ramfanski · Apr 8, 2024

I would not be afraid of the hurricane. I just bought a 22 hemi so unless I crash it, they will be old engines by the time I’m looking. The RamCharger has my attention now too.

Edward Hands · Apr 11, 2024

Jimmy07 said:
Most people don’t even know exactly what they’re complaining about on the new engines.
There’s no exhaust manifolds on the hurricane engines.

So the turbo mounts directly to the head? It sure doesn't look like it from this picture:

Jimmy07 · Apr 11, 2024

Edward Hands said:
So the turbo mounts directly to the head?

Yep

mikeru · Apr 11, 2024

Edward Hands said:
So the turbo mounts directly to the head? It sure doesn't look like it from this picture:
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The exhaust manifolds are cast as part of the head. So yes, the turbos bolt directly to the head.

Riccochet · Apr 11, 2024

Yeah, those turbos are bolted directly to the manifolds that cast in to the head.

The 3.6 Pentastar has the same style heads with manifolds cast in to them.

DanAR · Apr 12, 2024

So now instead of replacing a cracked manifold owners can replace a cracked head?

I know, I know - just too good an opportunity to let pass.

mikeru · Apr 12, 2024

DanAR said:
So now instead of replacing a cracked manifold owners can replace a cracked head?

I know, I know - just too good an opportunity to let pass.

I'd be lying if I said that wasn't the first thought that popped into my head too when I read about that.

Riccochet said:
The 3.6 Pentastar has the same style heads with manifolds cast in to them.

Didn't know that about the Pentastar.

Edward Hands · Apr 12, 2024

I am optimistically hoping that they are as robust as the rest of the head and won't be prone to cracking as they were in the past.

But I'd like to pose a question:
Would you guys prefer an engine with the same power that you currently have but with better MPG or would you rather the same MPG and another 145 Horsepower and an additional 111 Ft/Lbs of torque?

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