High gas prices and mds

indept said:

The point is that if MDS saves .5 mpg multiplied by a million + vehicles, it lowers their fleet mpg by 500,000 + mpg.

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Years ago Pontiac went to the 8 spd automatic to gain about 1mpg on their cafe average. The makers can build a gas hog,but have to do other things to maintain the cafe average for the fleet

kurek said:

Keystone is already in business. It transports half a million barrels per day. Keystone is a tar sands pipe which doesn't efficiently (or cheaply) refine out into gasoline. TransCanada acknowledged the Keystone and Keystone XL (not the same pipe) don't produce cheaper gasoline for Americans. Probably worth mentioning that Keystone oil is still imported oil since Canada is not a state in the USA and TransCanada is a Canadian company.

Keystone XL was the extension that used eminent domain to allow a foreign, private company to seize American land from American citizens. TransCanada has also canceled the project entirely which private companies have the right to do.

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They don't want to hear it and will ignore your post and the facts.

Fact: It's still imported oil. Imported oil does not make the US "energy independent" or help US oil industry jobs.

Fact: The refined products are largely for export. Exports do not help US gas prices.

Fact: You get less gasoline per barrel from heavy oil like tar sands than you do from light oil like from Texas. Less gasoline from refineries does not help US gas prices. The opposite, actually.

Fact: Refinery capacity is more of a bottle neck than oil production in the US. If refineries are making less gasoline for the domestic market in favor of other products for other markets, that does not help US gas prices. The opposite, actually.

Fact: Keystone XL creates a lot more permanent jobs in Canada than it does in the US. Much like NAFTA did, it's a loss for high paying American blue collar jobs.

Regardless of the reasoning given to the public for it's cancellation, it's completion is not a win for the US, is not a win for US consumers, and will *hurt* the domestic oil industry. The only winners are Canada and refiners.

Fun extra fact: Many of our major refineries are wholly or majority foreign investor owned.

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Presidents have nothing to do with oil pricing. It's global market speculators.
Can we please dispense with the cultural zealotry?

kurek said:

Keystone is already in business. It transports half a million barrels per day. Keystone is a tar sands pipe which doesn't efficiently (or cheaply) refine out into gasoline. TransCanada acknowledged the Keystone and Keystone XL (not the same pipe) don't produce cheaper gasoline for Americans. Probably worth mentioning that Keystone oil is still imported oil since Canada is not a state in the USA and TransCanada is a Canadian company.

Keystone XL was the extension that used eminent domain to allow a foreign, private company to seize American land from American citizens. TransCanada has also canceled the project entirely which private companies have the right to do.

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TC didn't cancel. They gave up after it had it's permit revoked again after years of investment, legal battles and protest headaches. Seizing land is pretty inflammatory as they do pay for it and is the same process as is done when new roads, highway expansions, utility lines, railway lines, subways etc need it. It prevents the 1 hold out for example from saying my house is for sale for 10 billion because without it you're blocked as would surely happen. I'm no expert on Russian oil imports so this may not be fact, but as I understand it the Russian oil the US has been importing is mostly heavy, which is why the government is looking at lifting sanctions on Venezuela to replace it as theirs is heavy. The "keystone xl" would be an alternate source for that oil if it existed so you are correct that it would not directly effect fuel prices. The main benefit to the US is oil from an ally instead of looking the other way on atrocities to get it from countries currently under sanctions. However, the more export capacity Canada has the more it can produce given the size of the reserves and more supply does tend to lead to lower prices eventually.

presidents have nothing to do with global energy prices and this isn't a football game with Team D vs. Team R on the field and whatever "the other team" does is automatically wrong.

I think both of those parties are dumpster juice and I wouldn't go wee-wee on any living former/current president if they were on fire but global energy prices are not about presidents or the trash parties in any given country. We've been over this in numerous closed and deleted threads, it's a dead end. It's never going to be anything other than a dead end.

While governments aren't the reason for the price per barrel globally they do have an effect on price at the pump. For example Canada in some areas has a fuel tax totalling close to 3 bucks a gallon at the moment. Reasons for it notwithstanding it does effect the cost of fueling up and is directly government related. Sanctions cut supply and are imposed by governments and cutting supply does raise the barrel price. Companies having to invest billions domestically to get projects approved that often do not as they get played as political footballs is not free either and the cost eventually falls on the end consumer. If we start suffering black outs and supply problems increase then things will get fast tracked as public opinion shifts. If everything stays fine and green energy fills the void then expansion will stop as it becomes less needed.

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Well said, I couldn't agree more.

indept said:

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

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Best thing you've agreed with so far? Lol

kurek said:

presidents have nothing to do with global energy prices and this isn't a football game with Team D vs. Team R on the field and whatever "the other team" does is automatically wrong.

I think both of those parties are dumpster juice and I wouldn't go wee-wee on any living former/current president if they were on fire but global energy prices are not about presidents or the trash parties in any given country. We've been over this in numerous closed and deleted threads, it's a dead end. It's never going to be anything other than a dead end.

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Our government has a lot to do with oil/gas production and prices through their policies. When I think a thread is a dead end I just scroll on by.

BWL said:

TC didn't cancel. They gave up after it had it's permit revoked again after years of investment, legal battles and protest headaches. Seizing land is pretty inflammatory as they do pay for it and is the same process as is done when new roads, highway expansions, utility lines, railway lines, subways etc need it. It prevents the 1 hold out for example from saying my house is for sale for 10 billion because without it you're blocked as would surely happen. I'm no expert on Russian oil imports so this may not be fact, but as I understand it the Russian oil the US has been importing is mostly heavy, which is why the government is looking at lifting sanctions on Venezuela to replace it as theirs is heavy. The "keystone xl" would be an alternate source for that oil if it existed so you are correct that it would not directly effect fuel prices. The main benefit to the US is oil from an ally instead of looking the other way on atrocities to get it from countries currently under sanctions. However, the more export capacity Canada has the more it can produce given the size of the reserves and more supply does tend to lead to lower prices eventually.

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Seizing land is pretty inflammatory as they do pay for it and is the same process as is done when new roads, highway expansions, utility lines, railway lines, subways etc need it. It prevents the 1 hold out for example from saying my house is for sale for 10 billion because without it you're blocked as would surely happen.
I have sold 9 pipeline ROW's the last few years through our ranch in Western Colorado. Never did any of the gas companies have to resort to imminent domain. Negotiations were done and all the land owners came out very well.

So many false news on the keystone. Here are the facts.

Wild one said:

One of the best things to do is to stand a small quart sized container up in the box,then learn to drive so it doesn't tip over or slide around the box.It'll amaze you how much better the milege is,and how much longer your brakes will last once you learn to drive to keep the container upright and in the same place.

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Never work for me. Too many fast corners. Lol. Plus I always hit the lights at the hammer the gas to run it or the brakes to stop in time window.

BWL said:

Never work for me. Too many fast corners. Lol. Plus I always hit the lights at the hammer the gas to run it or the brakes to stop in time window.

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You got to learn to read the walk signs BWL,they're your best indicator on whether the lights going to go yellow and you have enough time to make it,or you should start coasting and plan on stopping,if they're flashing start slowing down,lol..Always try to read the traffic at least a 1/2 block or more ahead of you

I do watch for the walk signals when they're there, but that is a good tip. When you're doing the speed limit and you start coasting for a light though people tend to get angry at you. Especially if they think they could have made the light. I guess that's the best time to tap the brakes and run it. See you later suckers. Lol

BWL said:

I do watch for the walk signals when they're there, but that is a good tip. When you're doing the speed limit and you start coasting for a light though people tend to get angry at you. Especially if they think they could have made the light. I guess that's the best time to tap the brakes and run it. See you later suckers. Lol

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So YOU'RE the guy that made me miss it!

If anyone doesn't like my driving then stay off the sidewalk.I'm saving gas by staying moving and going around people any way I can.

BWL said:

I do watch for the walk signals when they're there, but that is a good tip. When you're doing the speed limit and you start coasting for a light though people tend to get angry at you. Especially if they think they could have made the light. I guess that's the best time to tap the brakes and run it. See you later suckers. Lol

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I grew up driving 3 to 5 ton graintrucks,that were lucky if 1 brake worked,and they were always overloaded (days before scales,lol),so you learned to read things a couple blocks or a mile ahead,they also taught me the art of power shifting,lol. With 300 bushels in the box on a pair of 8.25 duals in a soft field,you learned to make that 1-2 shift with-out lifting,while at the same time punching the 2 speed button back from 1st and high to 2nd and low,or you were starting over again,and the old man was mad when you weren't keeping up to 2 combines with a mile run to the bins and auger,lol

Octane said:

If anyone doesn't like my driving then stay off the sidewalk.I'm saving gas by staying moving and going around people any way I can.

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Well done making the environmentally friendly choice to save fuel.