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It wasn't TFL that said the 8sp wasn't going in the HD. They relayed what Ram rep told them. It ...


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Old 01-08-2017, 08:37 PM   #111 (permalink)
 
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It wasn't TFL that said the 8sp wasn't going in the HD. They relayed what Ram rep told them. It doesn't change the fact that there is a transmission used in HD trucks with better gear spread. I have to believe in both cases it is a financial decision not to use either. The Aisin just for the premium and the 90 because according to Ram it isn't up the the rigors of a HD without redesign of at least the parking prawl and subsequently the entire case


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https://www.motor.com/newsletters/20...8HP_Tranny.pdf

So in 2012 Chrysler posts about the new 8sp including the 90 and put in print they won't replace HD transmissions. This is before the 6.4l even. Going on 5 yrs and still no use in the HD line even after developing the 6.4l and having to develop the gear hold programming because of the gear ratios of the 66rfe.

I have to wonder if the downfall of the ZF8 in the HD doesn't revolve around the electronic shift. We have all at one time or another had a vehicle on an incline and it clunked shifting out of park. Maybe the electronics are not strong enough to reliably shift out of park for vehicles at the weights of HD line, including the gas models.


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Hell, the 66 is a 68 stuffed in a 545 case. Lol


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If you go back and read what I wrote, I never said the 45RFE and 66/68RFE were the same, I said they were the same design,I was told this was ludicrous and silly.
I stand by that statement.
I think anyone who has both apart would agree with me
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Well, sort of. It appears to be a bit of a hybrid, at least according to Allpar articles. This is from another forum post some time back:

Doing some reading on the 68 vs 66 from another Allpar article.



The 68RFE and 66RFE automatic transmissions for Ram trucks

So, in comparing to the 68RFE it appears that 3rd and 5th would be the weakest link since the underdrive/overdrive and 4c clutches are not upgraded in the 66RFE. The low range and 2c clutches (1st and 2nd) are upgraded per the article. It's unclear (to me) if the 4c and UD/OD clutch assemblies from the 68 could be retrofitted into the 66RFE, but would seem like a logical place to start during a rebuild. Per Brandon, 4th would seem to be the best gear on the dyno since no clutches are engaged. I will have to follow up with HF to see what his actual concern is.


Not sure who Brandon is, but anytime the Engine is running there is a clutch applied
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Not sure who Brandon is, but anytime the Engine is running there is a clutch applied
I should have stated no holding clutch is applied per the chart. Basically what Brandon was stating is that this is the strongest configuration for a dyno pull. Obviously my overall understanding of an auto trans is limited. So out of curiosity, which clutches are engaged on the 66RFE when in 4th?


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I should have stated no holding clutch is applied per the chart. Basically what Brandon was stating is that this is the strongest configuration for a dyno pull. Obviously my overall understanding of an auto trans is limited. So out of curiosity, which clutches are engaged on the 66RFE when in 4th?
OK understood. Makes sense, with no holding clutches applied, the power also goes straight through and doesn't use or put stress on any planetaries.
UD/OD, in 4th on the 66. same as the 68RFE in your chart above.
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If you go back and read what I wrote, I never said the 45RFE and 66/68RFE were the same, I said they were the same design,I was told this was ludicrous and silly.

I stand by that statement.

I think anyone who has both apart would agree with me


If you go back and read what I wrote I never quoted you as saying that. I could be wrong (probably) but from what I have read about the 66 is it is basically Ram taking the gears from the 68 and making them work in the 545 case but with 68 output shaft and extension housing. Thus my short statement of the 66 is basically a 68 stuffed in a 545 case. Sure, there are differences between the them, but the short answer is what I wrote.


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[QUOTE=drittal;1434047]If you go back and read what I wrote I never quoted you as saying that. I could be wrong (probably) but from what I have read about the 66 is it is basically Ram taking the gears from the 68 and making them work in the 545 case but with 68 output shaft and extension housing. Thus my short statement of the 66 is basically a 68 stuffed in a 545 case. Sure, there are differences between the them, but the short answer is what I wrote.


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