Interesting Dealership Experience….What would you do? This is interesting...

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Why wouldn't you? It's part of the sale and no different than financing other options on the truck.

I guess its personal point of view. If I add something to the truck after it leaves the factory I consider it an accessory. I wouldn't finance mud flaps, floor mats, tonneau cover, window tint, etc either.
 

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Kinda strange, I wouldn't buy my truck without the bed liner, they said they would do it, I just had a " WE OWE " created that said "we owe Berliner" , I can't imagine them needing to put a bed liner in the contract, thats a finance contract, not a purchase contract. You're not financing that 250 are you? if not, do as others said, cut him a check, and tell him thanks.
 

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OP, how did you make out?
 

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Not sure what to tell other than when I got my 2014 Sport, I negotiated 10k off and the salesman said what can I do to seal the deal....we said spray the bed....they did...for "free".
 

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Yep. Karma would require me to just cut the check, not re-do the paperwork or be a jerk.

If it's legit......

Every single time I've been an ass in life, it's come back and bit me.

Every. Single. Time.
 

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Had a similar experience. They called me almost 2 weeks after having the truck asking for 1000 dollars more that they forgot to take, crying that it was a mistake and theyre gonna get charged for that 1000 dollars. Just did the honest thing and gave them the 1000 dollars...a deals a deal. Dont want bad karma, and wanted to maintain a good relationship with my dealer...though they've done nothing but damage to the truck and screw me around the 14 months Ive had it.
 

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i would offer to cut them a check for half.if they still insist on redoing paper work that would seem fishy to me and i probably would tell them to bad thats on you.if financing is already approved i wouldn't see any reason to redo anything.
 

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I would most certainly honor the original deal for $250. It was accepted by both parties and should be honored as such. Mistakes do happen.

I would NOT change any of the paperwork, as it could affect financing rates, warranty, etc, etc. I'd pay the $250 and shake hands. You'd sleep better
 

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Had a similar experience. They called me almost 2 weeks after having the truck asking for 1000 dollars more that they forgot to take, crying that it was a mistake and theyre gonna get charged for that 1000 dollars. Just did the honest thing and gave them the 1000 dollars...a deals a deal. Dont want bad karma, and wanted to maintain a good relationship with my dealer...though they've done nothing but damage to the truck and screw me around the 14 months Ive had it.

they would have to show me the mistake.
 

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Mistakes happen. Sounds pretty honest like they just forgot to put that into the financing. If it were me I'd just pay my half of the bedliner cash to them and call it good. Those things are like $400 so your portion would only be around $200... no sense in bothering to redo financing for that. Just pay it to them cash and move on.
 

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OP - what did you end up doing?

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Couldn't hurt to play hardball with them and tell them it's their mess up and see if they bite. Honestly they're probably making more than their fair share on the deal, and they have no problem scamming people out of money every which way that they can dream up. So don't feel bad trying to stick it back to them for their mistake. Just don't be impolite about it, and if it's that big of an issue to them then like others have said simply cut them a check for half and ask for separate paperwork beforehand.
 

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You realize they screw people all the time. I'm not knocking them, it's the nature of their business, but it's a fact that they screw people. So I say, they made the mistake so they need to live with it. Most salespeople aren't your friend. In most cases you are nothing more than a tool for their bank account and not much more.
 

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I often hear people say that the dealership is out to screw everyone, and I am not sure that is entirely fair. Sure, there are some that are really crooks, but for the most part I think that they cannot all be put into that category.

Most dealerships make very little on a new car sale....more is made on used cars. The dealerships make there money on service, parts and warranties. The salesmen generally do not make a lot on each car deal....it's tough to sell someone a $40,000+ vehicle, knowing that if the customer walks out of the store, there are hundreds of other salesmen that are going to try to make the same deal.

My son used to sell cars and typically made $100-$200 on each new car, and only made a living by selling a large volume of vehicles. Certain times of the year, the whole industry craps out and sales are almost non-existent. He worked a a few different dealerships and if one was a shyster, he would not remain there.

I'm not a salesman, but I taught Business and Marketing for 35+ years.

As I see it, the bottom line looks like this: A person goes into the dealership because they need/want a new vehicle. The dealership offers a certain amount of money for a trade, and charges a specific amount for the new vehicle. Generally, there is some negotiation, and, of course, the all out effort to sell warranties.

However, it is the buyer that actually makes the final decision. No one forces the buyer to take the deal....hell, there are literally hundreds of other dealerships that sell vehicles. So, if the buyer is happy with the deal, then I don't see where anyone is getting screwed.

I think the biggest issue is that buyers get all emotional and "want" the vehicle, hence overlooking or not caring about finance charges, warranty costs, etc. until a few days after the sale. If the buyer had a more rational attitude, sat back and clearly reviewed the deal, there would be less cognitive dissonance (remorse after the purchase).

Not to say that some dealerships don't clearly take advantage of the unknowing little old lady, but when I hear a 20-50 year old guy yell that he got screwed on a truck purchase, I wonder how much he was really involved in the deal rather that being over excited about that shiny new truck??????

The best example was when I was purchasing my current Ram truck. There was another guy buying a Chrysler 200, and was negotiating with the salesman...he insisted that his payment be at or under $300 per month. They worked the deal and he negotiated a $290 payment. I was getting ready to go into the finance office when he came out. He was smiling all over and stated that he got an extended warranty, tire warranty, windshield warranty, paint sealant, etc., etc., and his payment was still under $500!!!! I contend that he screwed himself.....
 
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I often hear people say that the dealership is out to screw everyone, and I am not sure that is entirely fair. Sure, there are some that are really crooks, but for the most part I think that they cannot all be put into that category.

Most dealerships make very little on a new car sale....more is made on used cars. The dealerships make there money on service, parts and warranties. The salesmen generally do not make a lot on each car deal....it's tough to sell someone a $40,000+ vehicle, knowing that if the customer walks out of the store, there are hundreds of other salesmen that are going to try to make the same deal.

My son used to sell cars and typically made $100-$200 on each new car, and only made a living by selling a large volume of vehicles. Certain times of the year, the whole industry craps out and sales are almost non-existent. He worked a a few different dealerships and if one was a shyster, he would not remain there.

I'm not a salesman, but I taught Business and Marketing for 35+ years.

As I see it, the bottom line looks like this: A person goes into the dealership because they need/want a new vehicle. The dealership offers a certain amount of money for a trade, and charges a specific amount for the new vehicle. Generally, there is some negotiation, and, of course, the all out effort to sell warranties.

However, it is the buyer that actually makes the final decision. No one forces the buyer to take the deal....hell, there are literally hundreds of other dealerships that sell vehicles. So, if the buyer is happy with the deal, then I don't see where anyone is getting screwed.

I think the biggest issue is that buyers get all emotional and "want" the vehicle, hence overlooking or not caring about finance charges, warranty costs, etc. until a few days after the sale. If the buyer had a more rational attitude, sat back and clearly reviewed the deal, there would be less cognitive dissonance (remorse after the purchase).

Not to say that some dealerships don't clearly take advantage of the unknowing little old lady, but when I hear a 20-50 year old guy yell that he got screwed on a truck purchase, I wonder how much he was really involved in the deal rather that being over excited about that shiny new truck??????

The best example was when I was purchasing my current Ram truck. There was another guy buying a Chrysler 200, and was negotiating with the salesman...he insisted that his payment be at or under $300 per month. They worked the deal and he negotiated a $290 payment. I was getting ready to go into the finance office when he came out. He was smiling all over and stated that he got an extended warranty, tire warranty, windshield warranty, paint sealant, etc., etc., and his payment was still under $500!!!! I contend that he screwed himself.....

I respectfully disagree about the new vs used comment. Every dealer I've gone to has always tried to push new sales on to me over a used sale. While the salesman only makes a commission, the dealer is like a casino, the house always gets their money. They're never going to sell you a vehicle without a certain amount of profit. Even if they sell you a car for the invoice that they supposedly "paid" for the vehicle, there's still hidden kickbacks built in there from the manufacturer to ensure there's still money to be made.

I've owned a lot of new and used vehicles for only being 30 years old, and every dealer I've gone to, even ones with friends and former coworkers working for them, has always tried to hit me with a screw job first or second offer right out of the gate. I've yet to deal with a dealership that is honest right out of the gates. They play those games to try and maximize their profits and capitalize on the impulsive. When I bought my 2011 RAM SLT my saleswoman (who was surprisingly honest) told me flat out not to accept the first or even the second offer from the finance guys. She told me outright that they would try to screw me over.

Dealers are even including hidden costs like "window etching" in your deal that further increases their profit margin, and it's something you don't have to even pay for unless you sign your name agreeing to it. They also mark up aftermarket parts often by twice what you'd pay outside of the dealership, and they mark up extras like extended warranties and make a commission off of those sales as well. If you have a good credit union loan officer they'll point these things out to you and tell you to tell the dealership to go pound sand.

Every dealer is set up to screw you in some way or another. Some just happen to be a little more open and honest than others. I've found the best thing you can do is find yourself a salesman or saleswoman that's honest and has a conscience, and doesn't just try to tow the company line all of the time.
 
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Without reading through this thread and have had worked as a car salesman before this is what I can tell you, dealers make more money off of used than new in most cases, but selling new is over better for them. The more new vehicles they sell the more awards through the brand of vehicles they sell they get. They are other reasons for "pushing" new over used but don't remember off hand what they all are. Now there is always the exception to the rule. There will always be dealers that aren't really interested in being in high standings with the particular brand and are more interested in making the most profit as possible. That's why they'd push used, and those are generally the dealers that give others a bad rep

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Certainly, we live in a capitalistic society and maximizing profit is built into our society. I contend that car dealers are really no better or worse than other businesses.

Furniture typically has a higher profit margin than most anything else....we bought a dining room set a few years ago for $4300 and the dealer screwed up and left his invoice tape to the bottom of the table....it showed that his cost was $800.

Did I feel taken?? Sure. But I agreed to the price so it was clearly my decision to buy. The fact that I hadn't done my research and shop around is my fault, not that of the dealer.

My niece works for an eye glass store. People often pay upwards go $500 for glasses. According to her, the dealers cost is around $80.

Again, I contend that it is the buyers responsibility to do appropriate research, compare prices, and make rational (not emotional) decisions.

Just because a dealer offers a higher price than the are actually willing to accept doesn't mean they are trying to screw anyone....just maximizing profits. There has been several times I've walked out of a dealership because I felt they were not giving me the "best" deal, though there was a deal on the table. At the same time I've seen other customers going into the finance office to seal their deal.....but again, it it THEIR choice to make the purchase, and some will feel screwed afterwards, but at that moment they were perfectly happy with their purchase.
 

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, dealers make more money off of used than new in most cases, but selling new is over better for them. The more new vehicles they sell the more awards through the brand of vehicles they sell they get.

I agree with this being the reason salesman push new over old. The dealer ownership push the sales staff to push new because they are being pushed by the manufacturer. Remember, the manufacturer doesn't profit for used car sales hence the push.
 
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