Cummins $1.6 billion dollar fine!!!

[Docwagon1776]

Maybe not you, but I've heard it many times before. He's not kidding. Worse, local dealers here consider an appointment the time you start LINING UP to speak to the advisor. If you have a 7:30 for an oil change, that's when the gate at the lot gets unlocked. You get written up int he order you're in line. Your truck gets worked on in whatever order the team leader hands them out to the lube monkeys. You'll be done by 11am, if you're lucky. It's the Ferman way.

Our local dealership won't take lube appointments. I can't afford to get my oil changed at the dealer. The money is inconsequential, but the time cost is extremely burdensome. I can change my own oil faster by far, I know it's done right, and with the correct oil.

 

[WY-Dave]

Yup it's there, Incomplete and it's going to stay that way just like the drag link, unless they come around to replacing vs. welding

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Telling the wife about this BS, it came up in conversation, what about the states that have emission checks, will they require a document of compliance? Luckily WY don't fall in that category.

 

[RamDiver]

Maybe not you, but I've heard it many times before. He's not kidding. Worse, local dealers here consider an appointment the time you start LINING UP to speak to the advisor. If you have a 7:30 for an oil change, that's when the gate at the lot gets unlocked. You get written up int he order you're in line. Your truck gets worked on in whatever order the team leader hands them out to the lube monkeys. You'll be done by 11am, if you're lucky. It's the Ferman way.

I had the same experience this past November at a dealership South of Ottawa.

My appointment time was just to check-in with the service advisor and make a plan.

It seems to me that this is a SOP for this dealership but on this occasion they went as far as to verbally confirm that the appointment time was only to schedule the work.

I'm just so glad I can comply and make their efforts more convenient for them.

What a F'd up world we now live in.

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[BossHogg]

I had the same experience this past November at a dealership South of Ottawa.

My appointment time was just to check-in with the service advisor and make a plan.

I scheduled my recall repair (HPFP) using my dealer's website. I did all the check-in work online. When I got to the service department, they scanned my OBDII port, printed out the work order, and I signed it, could not have been more than 5 minutes. Then the service advisor told me the repair might not get done today. I said I had a 7:30 AM appointment, and she yes, with me, not the technician. I said, it is less than a two-hour repair, and she said yes, once the technician gets your vehicle.

I was not going to leave it overnight, I was willing and plan to leave the truck with them for the day. I spoke with the service manager and told him this appointment BS is just that. Of course, he was all apologetic saying what he could to get rid of me and telling me when I made the appointment they were slow but have since gotten much busier. I called him out with his reasons reminding him it has been like this for the past ten years I'm aware of and with the two service managers before you. They did get the repair done that day.

This is just my opinion but between the sales floor and the service department, the fun and excitement of getting a new vehicle just isn't there anymore. It is getting easier to buy online but still, there is the service angle. And who doesn't want to touch, feel, inspect, and test drive before purchasing?

 

[svanarts]

I just bought a 2023 Big Horn at a pretty good discount a couple of weeks ago. I just had the recall on the turn signal done and then I hear about this one. Geez! I looked up my VIN on the Mopar site and I don't see any new recalls. Zero emissions recalls. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[18CrewDually]

I just bought a 2023 Big Horn at a pretty good discount a couple of weeks ago. I just had the recall on the turn signal done and then I hear about this one. Geez! I looked up my VIN on the Mopar site and I don't see any new recalls. Zero emissions recalls. Keeping my fingers crossed.

If it was in the dealer it was probably done the same time.

 

[JW2 Innovations]

Yup it's there, Incomplete and it's going to stay that way just like the drag link, unless they come around to replacing vs. welding

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New drag link replacement with alignment for free to me is there, is adjustable and welded one gone.. Got mine done by working directly with Mopar on this site via PM to them with VIN and giving them my preferred dealer to do the fix. They took it from there. Just don't talk directly to the dealership, let Mopar contact from this site do all that for you.

 

[goggles]

Its political, it was the EPA making the announcement on the evening last Friday the 22nd while everybody was getting ready for Christmas, this is another case of incoherent people who believe in unicorns making impossible mandates to the point where OEM's have to develop certain tactics in attempt to defeat government stupidity, it happened to VW, and then they moved to the Ecodiesel where the firmware update turned the engine into a slug, it wont be long till they start on gassers, looks more like shutting down companies by fining them out of business, the winner here would be China.

 

[2Tallguy]

Here's a little talk about it. No way I'd volunteer for this recall. Hope it doesn't have any negative affects for you, OP.

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Well if Jersey is like California you can't get the truck registered or smogged without it.

 

[18CrewDually]

Well if Jersey is like California you can't get the truck registered or smogged without it.

Well it's not. Plus not all of CA is like that neither. Depends on if you're in a smog County from what I was told. NJ does not even have diesel inspections on our pickup class trucks.

 

[RamDiver]

Well it's not. Plus not all of CA is like that neither. Depends on if you're in a smog County from what I was told. NJ does not even have diesel inspections on our pickup class trucks.

Ontario Canada had mandatory emissions testing every 2 years and then turfed the entire program at the start of 2023, IIRC.

No more stupid license sticker every year either.

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[18CrewDually]

Ontario Canada had mandatory emissions testing every 2 years and then turfed the entire program at the start of 2023, IIRC.

No more stupid license sticker every year either.

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CA in my posts refers to California. I don't see that state ever backing down.

 

[shedkept]

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My '92 won't win any beauty contests and sure isn't "quick, fast or in a hurry" BUT it's not hampered with things that make it less reliable. 1 or maybe 2 revolutions at cold startup and she's ready to rock. AND it's rust free!!! God Bless Texas.

 

[18CrewDually]

Why the pre-DEF and DPF bring the money on places like Bring A Trailer. Here's two current auctions.

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My '92 won't win any beauty contests and sure isn't "quick, fast or in a hurry" BUT it's not hampered with things that make it less reliable. 1 or maybe 2 revolutions at cold startup and she's ready to rock. AND it's rust free!!! God Bless Texas.

They bring that money because new ones are $80k-$108k. My truck is over 4 years old and still brings $65k+. It's the economics. It makes a 20 year old truck for $20k look like a bargain.

 

[tjfdesmo]

The early 6.7s without DEF ran heavy EGR and were another black eye for Cummins, and that drove the price of 5.9s up a bunch.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Yep. The things they had to do to become zero emissions (sans CO2) engines required a number of science fair technologies that made these engine prohibitvely expensive and less reliable and durable.

Piezo injectors, variable vane turbochargers, EGR, aftercoolers, oxidation catalyst, soot filter, selective catalytic reduction, 64 bit controllers, on and on. It's ridiculous.

Also, lowering the sulfur in diesel fuel not only made the fuel cost more and stripped fuel system lubrication, it also stripped a percentage of heavy end fuel such that the energy value of low sulfur diesel fuel is less.

Think about that - you're paying more for fuel with less energy.

It's amazing diesel engines have survived at all. Especially with first GM making a cheap, gasoline diesel that broke in 20,000 miles, then Cummins running a highway emissions defeat ECM program (1999) big rigs, then VW doing the same thing for state smog test stations.

And now, Cummins was just caught doing the same thing again, with pickup truck engines.

Diesel engines were once part of the solution to lowering CO2 emission due to their inherent efficiency over spark engines - now they've been legislated to death.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Another reason our family wont sell the 2005, 3500 6 speed non dually

Looking forward to restoring that old girl in 2y time when I get it. Sucks that it now has 150xxx Km and zero rust

 

[tjfdesmo]

Another reason our family wont sell the 2005, 3500 6 speed non dually

Looking forward to restoring that old girl in 2y time when I get it. Sucks that it now has 150xxx Km and zero rust

Yup, my '05 was a dandy.

 

[truck2014]

Makes me want my old 99 Superduty back with the 7.3

 

[HEMIMANN]

'91 Ram 2500 with Cummins 6BT5.9.