What is the best DEF/EGR delete kit?

[nlambert182]

Thats not a bad option either.... the tune that I use is the same tune that's been on the market since the 6.7 was introduced and having ran it on 2 previous trucks, and knowing probably 20 more people who run the tune now I am comfortable with it. It's never given any of us an issue.

 

[Scottly]

I'd be happy with a 'tune" that merely shuts off the sensor inputs from the emission control crap. Not looking for more power, just no soot being recirculated through my engine, and no regen that sucks up 25% of my fuel.

 

[nlambert182]

I'd be happy with a 'tune" that merely shuts off the sensor inputs from the emission control crap. Not looking for more power, just no soot being recirculated through my engine, and no regen that sucks up 25% of my fuel.

This is what I run. As soon as my emissions craps the bed, this is what I am doing again. $1,600 vs $3-$4k is a no brainer for me since our state doesn't care.

It doesn't roll coal, etc.... just turns it all off. I also run an Aero XL muffler so that the sound output is essentially identical to stock. Very minimal difference.

 

[Brianxrson]

I’ve had good experience with the SPELAB EGR Delete Kit on my 2014 Ram 6.7. It’s straightforward to install and works well with custom tuning options. I paired it with an EFILive tuner, which gives me the flexibility to switch between different tunes for city driving, highway, and towing. I didn’t want to go crazy with horsepower either, just wanted better reliability and performance. The kit does a great job at keeping the engine cool, and I’ve noticed improved fuel efficiency as well.

 

[nlambert182]

The last of my kit just showed up. Sadly, I couldn't get the Mini Max this time, so I opted for the RaceMe Ultra CT so that I still have monitoring capabilities. A little more expensive, but all in all it's a solid kit.

As soon as I get some time I'll slap it on and report back. I'll be running the stock HP tune as always.

 

[cableface]

Reliability is inversely proportional to the amount of modifications done.

Ok, I'm putting this topic to rest. I live in Texas and I just got back from the Ram dealership, where I had the fuel filters serviced. I took the opportunity to pick the mechanic's brain. I've only owned pre-emisions diesels before now, and this is my first RAM.

My first question to him was, "What are the most common issues you encounter on 2500 diesels. His response was, "There's very little that goes wrong with these trucks, with the exception of the emissions systems. Emissions faults are absolutely the most frequent issue I see. They fault frequently and without warning."

I told him that was interesting and that I had been trying to determine whether or not to delete mine. He didn't even allow me to finish my sentence when he said "Delete it, absolutely no question. Especially since you're living in Texas. Texas recently dropped its emissions testing requirements, so the you dont have the regulatory concerns anymore. That was really the only major negative to begin. Just don't overtune it. You want a bulletproof worry-free truck? I'm telling you... delete it."

I had thought all dealerships refused to work on deleted trucks. He said, "This is East Texas. It ain't new york. We'd probably be out of business if we turned deleted trucks away."

That response is from a 30 year RAM diesel mechanic. I'll take his word for it over someone that's clearly grasping at straws. There's also the fact that my best friend has a 2014 2500 that's deleted. It now has 572k miles on it. Zero issues.

 

[MADDOG]

The emissions system in my 2017 Ram Laramie was a total nightmare. In less than 3K miles the truck went into limp mode four times and stopped...usually out in the middle of nowhere or off the side of a busy freeway...leaving me stranded and looking for a tow truck. Three different dealers were not able to fix the problem so I took matters into my own hands.

Here is my full delete list of parts & mods made to my 2017 Cummins powered Laramie.

4TH Generation 6.7L Cummins Delete & Tune Mod List

Delete & Tune mods
• Edge CTS-2 Insight monitor with Cummins unlock
• 13 – 17 EFI Live Dodge CSP4 tune package by PPEI / Kory Willis
• 13 – 17 EFI Live Dodge transmission tuning
• Cummins tuning switch CSP4
• EGR valve and cooler removal with block off plate
• Throttle valve delete
• Edge expandable EGT probe kit
• Pillar pod mount for Edge CTS2
Transmission mods
• BD Diesel 68RFE valve body plate kit
• Mag Hytec deep transmission pan
• ATS 68RFE transmission case support brace
Exhaust Upgrade
• FloPro 4“ cat & DPF cannister delete pipe
• 4” – 6” black exhaust tip with rolled edge
• Corsa 8004002 4” muffler – placed just behind the down pipe

When I did this the whole EGR assembly under the hood was removed. The DPF and converter cans in the exhaust were removed. The tuning by PPEI eliminated any codes that would arise if the PCM was not modified.

 

[Simonyet]

I’ve been running GDP MM3 on my ‘14 Ram 6.7 for over a year. It offers custom tuning with different power levels (daily, tow, performance) and allows a full DEF, DPF, and EGR delete. Some people use a DEF Delete Emulator to trick the system, but if you’re going all-in, MM3 is a great option with strong customer support.

 

[nlambert182]

This isn't a Jetta forum. Completely different animal than a Cummins. You probably need to go to one of their forums for the answer.

 

[kawaiiitakko]

Ok, I'm putting this topic to rest. I live in Texas and I just got back from the Ram dealership, where I had the fuel filters serviced. I took the opportunity to pick the mechanic's brain. I've only owned pre-emisions diesels before now, and this is my first RAM.

My first question to him was, "What are the most common issues you encounter on 2500 diesels. His response was, "There's very little that goes wrong with these trucks, with the exception of the emissions systems. Emissions faults are absolutely the most frequent issue I see. They fault frequently and without warning."

I told him that was interesting and that I had been trying to determine whether or not to delete mine. He didn't even allow me to finish my sentence when he said "Delete it, absolutely no question. Especially since you're living in Texas. Texas recently dropped its emissions testing requirements, so the you dont have the regulatory concerns anymore. That was really the only major negative to begin. Just don't overtune it. You want a bulletproof worry-free truck? I'm telling you... delete it."

I had thought all dealerships refused to work on deleted trucks. He said, "This is East Texas. It ain't new york. We'd probably be out of business if we turned deleted trucks away."

That response is from a 30-year RAM diesel mechanic. I'll take his word for it over someone that's clearly grasping at straws. There's also the fact that my best 6.7 Powerstroke delete kit friend has a 2014 2500 that's deleted. It now has 572k miles on it. Zero issues.

For a 2014 Dodge Ram 6.7, the SPELAB Mini Maxx V2 Tuner with Full Delete Kit is a solid choice for selectable tunes (town, highway, towing). EFILive is a good alternative if you want more custom tuning options. All options should be used off-road only, as street use is illegal.

 

[nlambert182]

Not even close.... SPELAB is chinese junk.

 

[Phillirdwn]

For legality’s sake, it’s worth noting that removing DEF or EGR systems on a road-registered truck is against federal law in both the U.S. and Canada, even with the so-called egr delete kit marketed as “off-road only.” Enforcement and inspection penalties can be serious. If the truck runs well, a better path is to use a legal calibration or ECM update that manages regens more efficiently.

 

[cutterman]

For those who tell you not to delete. 1. They haven’t had emissions issues “YET”.
2. They don’t care about longevity of a diesel.
3. They had a deleted vehicle in past and ran a hot tune which will cause engine damage.
4. They believe what the government tells them… Note the US Government uses deleted vehicles because the emissions systems make them unreliable.

Ask any diesel engineer (not mechanic) if the emissions system on a diesel makes it unreliable and causes premature wear of many internal components. If they say it doesn’t affect it they are lying or not a diesel engineer.

I have over 30 years experience with diesels and have spent my last 12 years designing marine diesels (as a government liaison) with JD, CAT, and Detroit/MTU.

Again there is a reason government uses deleted diesels in any system they need reliability.

 

[Bramic71]

And I assume someone is doing a torsional vibration analysis with the newly modified cylinder pressure maps to verify the damper is still doing its job? Making sure vibratory torque isnt chewing up the transmission? Making sure the turbo actuator duty cycle is within the limits it was designed for? Making sure the newly reduced backpressure isnt going to lead to compressor stalls and turbo overspeeds? Doing a few million miles of validation testing?

There's a universal theme when talking about trucks that **** out on people - they're deleted diesels. Every diesel bros "dude" who does their truck is an expert who REALLY knows what he's doing, free from the restraints of the EPA to make an engine run "like its supposed to." None of those trucks ever last as long as factory ones.

Don't do it. Sell it and get a gas burner.

Thats a lie.

 

[Bramic71]

Thanks for not giving a damn about the air people around you have to breath.

What a ridiculous posting. A properly tuned and deleted diesel is exactly that. Plus any carbon just falls to the ground

 

[Bramic71]

Don't do it. It isn't worth the money and the BS. Legal issues, reliability issues, service issues, resale issues. Just don't. If the emissions system concerns you, sell it and get a gasser.

Lies, all lies. You obviously don't understand how things work.

 

[Bramic71]

Temporarily. Then the gremlins start popping up, the tuner who did it is out of business, and the owner is stuck with a busted truck. Or, you decide to sell it and the EPA says not so fast my friend.

You're replacing software that has literally billions of miles of testing and validation with software that some guy wrote up in his basement that bypasses fault codes. Legalities aside, it's not a smart thing to do. If you're worried about it, get a gasser.

Clueless.

 

[Bramic71]

Busted transmissions and head gaskets aside, you're reliant on a person who wrote a tune in his garage staying in the game if you have an issue arise down the road.

It's fine in the short term. 20 years from now that deleted truck is going to be worthless.

Clueless.

 

[Bramic71]

The tuners I use are professionals, yes there are some hack jobs out there ( just like with everything in life) but a little research before you buy goes a long way. Once the truck is tuned you don't need that tuner to do anything, not unless you are heavily modifying the truck (adding dual turbos or something ridiculous like that). There is no tune "maintenance" required what so ever, Load it and drive.

20 years from now your gas truck will be in the junk yard so what's your point? I can also put my truck back to stock at anytime...

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100% correct. Karen doesn't like deleted trucks, nor know anything about them.